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Calibrating&

Created by: andrewF at: 12/18/2008 9:56 PM (19 Replies)

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12/22/2008 9:54 AM	Rate (0)
Aret Posts: 2348 Rating: (265)	Once we had such problems with AO module, but after discovering this our local Siemens dept. changed these modules with new Hardware version (E-stand) and everything went normal.
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12/26/2008 4:59 AM	Rate (0)
Arunakat1 Posts: 217 Rating: (52)	Hello, I think Darius is correct. To my knowledge the analog modules should celebrated already. But you should calibrate your analog input signal devise (sensor) or analog out put device. Actually in PLC analog in put module is just a A to D converter. It just converts analog value in to digital value. And analog output means D to A converter it convert digital value to analog value. The certificates you should show is calibrated external devise certificates. And that should be calibrated annually or as they recommend. For siemens certificate is the brand certificate and their technical specification sheet (To my knowledge). See this link. https://mall.automation.siemens.com/DE/guest/index.asp?aktprim=0&nodeID=5000058&lang=en&foldersopen=-1331-667-666-1-1338-1333-1332-1779-1357-1358-1359-1360-1425-1469-1470-&jumpto=1470 I hope this may help you. Thanks
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12/26/2008 9:50 AM	Rate (0)
andrewF Posts: 87 Rating: (1)	"...Actually in PLC analog in put module is just a A to D converter. It just converts analog value in to digital value...." I think in analog module must be differential amplifiers, resistors, correcting circuits and other circuits for connecting, for example, termocouples...(usually AD-converters cant connecting direct TC) Also A-D converter may not have constant charachteristics. For this cases I think nesessary callibrating.! Our customers want have callibrating instrunctions and they linked to ISO9001...
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12/26/2008 11:08 AM	Rate (0)
Arunakat1 Posts: 217 Rating: (52)	Hi, OK let’s say we take an analog input signal of 0-20mA. In PLC this will show as 0 to 32767. Simply saying it is shows In 0mA = 0 And 20mA =32767 These values are from siemens. But lets say we are using a temperature input. That manufacturer should certify say in 0C = 0mA and 100C = 20mA. I also faced same problem you faced but we only calibrate the analog input and outputs. And for PLC side we only provide the siemens product certificates. To my knowledge almost all siemes products obtain ISO certificates. Also see this link may be it will help you. https://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll?query=em277&func=cslib.cssearch&content=skm%2Fmain.asp&lang=en&siteid=cseus&objaction=cssearch&searchinprim =&nodeid99=&x=26&y=14 Hope this will help you.
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12/26/2008 12:48 PM	Rate (0)
Darius Platinum Expert Joined: 9/28/2005 Last visit: 7/24/2025 Posts: 2957 Rating: (243)	Hi, Arunakat1 In 0mA = 0 And 20mA =32767 I want to correct you that analog 20 mA shows 27648 (W#16#6C00) and not 32767.
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12/27/2008 4:46 AM	Rate (0)
Arunakat1 Posts: 217 Rating: (52)	Yes Darius, you are right. Sorry that I wrote in s7 200 mind. But I want to say is in 20mA its shows a value. That value is said by siemens. Thanks Darius for correcting me.
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12/28/2008 11:15 AM	Rate (0)
andrewF Posts: 87 Rating: (1)	In a sense calibrating value geting from Siemenes channel it is not always TRUE beacause parameter of input channel its not IDEAL (matchematical or others sense) and he may be Fuctuating. For example - now X(mAs) its A value but tommorow X(mAs) its (A+-dA)value in this cases if I have Possibility to callibrating channel I can say to "Siemens controller" for correction this value.... But I think, I can insert in my internal programm own callibrating modules, to multiple or divide siemens value, but in this case I dont know that of it thinks metrologicaldept.
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12/28/2008 3:41 PM	Rate (0)
Darius Platinum Expert Joined: 9/28/2005 Last visit: 7/24/2025 Posts: 2957 Rating: (243)	Hi, andrewF For example - now X(mAs) its A value but tommorow X(mAs) its (A+-dA)value in this cases if I have Possibility to callibrating channel I can say to "Siemens controller" for correction this value.... I think you're talking about sensor error, but not channel. You get analog module with fixed channel error that's declared in datasheet of the module. Senson also get its own error and offcourse you allways get different values. Thats why you know error of analog module and you must know error of your sensor.
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12/28/2008 8:25 PM	Rate (0)
andrewF Posts: 87 Rating: (1)	No I talk about Just error of channel! Why you think a chanel have constant error declared in datasheet or specifications? I think exists applications in which this parameters (accuracy and others) may be checked (for example Once per 3 years or 5 years) and calibrating input chanels. As to sensors of cause he also have period of checking and instruction of calibrating (for example 4-20 mA convertor from TC)!
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12/28/2008 9:58 PM	Rate (0)
Darius Platinum Expert Joined: 9/28/2005 Last visit: 7/24/2025 Posts: 2957 Rating: (243)	Yes, error of module is not constant, but it is for example 0.001% and this error value must be stable. I don't know for how many years or months is this true, but the only way to find out is to write to Siemens support, because no one of us knows why Siemens don't ship certificates with their analog modules. If Siemens says that there is no such documents that no metrologists will accept this module. You need papers. Maybe there is some organizations that can test module and give papers. I don't know, but believe me the first place to ask is manufacturers of module (in this case Siemens).
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