I'm working on the latest Intel based MacBook (2019) with VM ware daily with TIA portal.  I can't wait until Siemens officially support ARM, that will be the point I will buy a new MacBook. If I'm working on site I get a lot of comments and questions on my MacBook, similar to the discussion in this topic. 

ohmysiemens

I believe that TIA Portal's ARM support is urgently needed, especially concerning the installation of drivers for network connections. While it might not be prominently visible around me, I am convinced that there are quite a few engineers who primarily use MacBooks. Additionally, in the field of equipment where I work, one of the requirements for a work laptop is its battery performance, as it significantly affects work efficiency. There's no guarantee of always having access to a charging point during tasks such as troubleshooting at the local level or customizing programs. I've often found myself in situations where my laptop's battery drained, halting my work progress. I won't necessarily attribute this to my own lack of efficiency.

Recently, I was impressed by the performance of the latest MacBook (M2), even when running on a virtual machine like Parallels. Windows ran much faster than my $2700 Lenovo X1C and the battery life was subjectively about three times longer. This difference is significant to me, and I believe that as other engineers become aware of such disparities, the number of engineers noticing them will increase rapidly.

The significantly lower power consumption for the same tasks between x64 (x86) and ARM64 architectures is an undeniable difference. I already perceive this as a shift in processor generations.

I feel it's necessary to make this request because I believe major companies need to spearhead the trend towards ARM support.

 I'm working on the latest macbook M4 Pro with Parallels Windows 11 ARM and TIA V17 and TI V18 without any problems so far :)

Connection to PLC with a small hub (I use it anyway for HDMI and so on) from Lenovo Plug&Play.

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I'm working on the latest Intel based MacBook (2019) with VM ware daily with TIA portal.  I can't wait until Siemens officially support ARM, that will be the point I will buy a new MacBook. If I'm working on site I get a lot of comments and questions on my MacBook, similar to the discussion in this topic. 

 Hi,

How much RAM memory does your mac have? Does it allow you to work smoothly with TIA? As we know tia portal likes a lot of ram.

BR,

Zbyszek

stevenscholtysek

 I'm working on the latest macbook M4 Pro with Parallels Windows 11 ARM and TIA V17 and TI V18 without any problems so far :)

Connection to PLC with a small hub (I use it anyway for HDMI and so on) from Lenovo Plug&Play.

AutoGen_9785568

I'm working on the latest Intel based MacBook (2019) with VM ware daily with TIA portal.  I can't wait until Siemens officially support ARM, that will be the point I will buy a new MacBook. If I'm working on site I get a lot of comments and questions on my MacBook, similar to the discussion in this topic. 

 

Hello everybody,

I just did a full V19 project on my Mac with M2 and with startup.

Compare to my old X86 (i7) MacBook Pro, it works faster and I don't need to charge very often. It's a real pleasure.

The only problem is that I still can't install the WinCC unified simulation because one windows function is missing in Win11 ARM.

Does anyone have a solution for this.

Regards

Claude

Hello,

I'm working with a 24GB MacBook Pro 2022 M2 and it works very well.

Regards

Claude

Dear Jochen,

I used your patch for TIAV18 and it works fine.

For V19 it was working immediately without patch

But for V20, the installation took several hours. It was blocked at the end for the system modification. When finally finished, it gaves some errors.

When creating a project TIA crashes. I installed the patch but it still crashes. The crash report indicates that some "objects" are missing.

Do you have any experience with TIA V20 on Win11 ARM?

Best regards

Claude 

Dear All,

In my previous post, I was explaining having problems to install TIA V20 on Win11 ARM.

I was using a DVD reader to install and it took more than 4 hours to install with errors.

I tried again with an external HD, it took only 30 minutes and didn't give any error.

It works fine without the need of a patch.

I remains only the problem of WinCC Unified simulation. I didn't try but I think it is unnecessary it won't work.

Best regards

Claude

@claude_reckinger

Hello, WinCC simulation works fine. Newer versions of Win11 have the missing MSMQ server features. V20 Unified Installs and functions correctly (both tia and runtime). Now if we could find a solution for accessible devices…

Hello,

As you wrote that the functionality missing in win 11 arm is now available and indeed I managed to activate MSMQ. This was the condition to install WinCC Unified simulation. 

After installing it I had other problems but I suppose I will be able to solve it.

To see the available IP partner on the network, I use SIMATIC Automation tool. The basic version (free) is capable to list all the devices on the network even with Win 11 ARM. You can even modify the name and the IP address. It will generate an error but ignore it. The modification is done.

Best regards

Claude

Thanks,

I will try it. What other problems do you have? Besides the issue with accessible devices it seems steady, even for unified (ES and RT)

claude_reckinger

Hello,

As you wrote that the functionality missing in win 11 arm is now available and indeed I managed to activate MSMQ. This was the condition to install WinCC Unified simulation. 

After installing it I had other problems but I suppose I will be able to solve it.

To see the available IP partner on the network, I use SIMATIC Automation tool. The basic version (free) is capable to list all the devices on the network even with Win 11 ARM. You can even modify the name and the IP address. It will generate an error but ignore it. The modification is done.

Best regards

Claude

I'm experiencing the same thing, I can download or configure the program but I can't scan for any devices

I installed Siematic Automation Tool on my macbookair with M4 chip, but to scan I still need to select the physical NIC of the computer, and after selecting it and clicking on the scan icon I still can't scan any device, may I ask how did you do it to scan the device?

Hello,

could you please verify that automation tool does indeed work for you on windows ARM? Did you perform any additional configuration? Did you use usb network device?

Thanks,

Andrew

claude_reckinger

Hello,

As you wrote that the functionality missing in win 11 arm is now available and indeed I managed to activate MSMQ. This was the condition to install WinCC Unified simulation. 

After installing it I had other problems but I suppose I will be able to solve it.

To see the available IP partner on the network, I use SIMATIC Automation tool. The basic version (free) is capable to list all the devices on the network even with Win 11 ARM. You can even modify the name and the IP address. It will generate an error but ignore it. The modification is done.

Best regards

Claude

Hello,

It doesn't work anymore.

Regards

Claude

Hello,

I have Macbook Air M3 with Parallels 20.3

I managed to install tia 12 only step7 on windows 10 and it opens projects normally.

I also can't install starter 5.7 on windows 11

I wanted to add to this after a VERY big headache having finally upgraded my i9 2019 MacBook to a new M4 Pro. The only piece of software I couldn't get working was TIA V18, found this thread, but sadly the use of Github was over my head in an effort to get V18 working on the ARM version of Win 11 within Parallels Desktop 20.

Solution- downloaded V18 SP5 (I was on SP2 or 3 previously) and it has fired straight into life. I do get the red CPU maxed out indicator when opening an HMI setup screen but otherwise it seems as quick, if not quicker, than on my old Intel based laptop.

Small edit- I did have another headache with TIA being able to see the PLC or HMI when going online. Windows needed new/ updated drivers for my ethernet adaptor (Realtek gbe USB) which windows update found automatically. Using .cmd I then verified I could ping the devices. 

The last change that helped was to alter the dropdown for "Show all compatible devices" and change to "show all devices with the same address". Following that it is 100% working and in 6 hours use/ monitoring and loading I have used less than 30% battery! 

I have done several test and finally I think It can't work because Profinet protocol are not (so far) available for ARM architecture

I used MacBook M4 hardware; Parallels Deskto or VMware Fusion or UTM for virtualization; Win11-ARM- 24H2; TIA Portal V20.

The whole installation process worked fine, TIA Protal works fine, execution speed is good but it is not possible to comunicate with PLC ( no discovery, no transfer configurationor programs, no online functions etc)

This make sense , because the Profinet protocols have not been installed; with control panel open the ethernet interface and check installed network protocols (properties):  PROFINET IO protocol (DCP/LLDP) PROFINET IO RT-Protocol V2.3 / SIMATIC Industrial Ethernet (ISO) / PROFINET IO RT-Protocol V2.0 …. they will not be in the list.

And so far it seems not to be remedy because the Profinet stack for ARM processor has not yet been developed.

Only one solution works but in my opinion not fast enough. Using UTM it is possible to “emulate” x86 architecture.

I created emulated VM, installing Win11-x86/64- 24H2, then installed TIA Portal V20. Profinet protocols has been installed by Tia installation process and everithing is working ( plc comunication as well ) …but slow, sometimes too much slow.