7/23/2009 5:03 AM | |
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7/23/2009 7:40 AM | |
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Hi zlatan
I am new to this forum however I clearly understand your problem. When AC drives operate in V/F control mode we all assume at zero frequency the out put voltage will be zero. It is not. There will be a magnetizing current in the motor and for that there will be a certain percentage of output voltage. I hope you understand ramp up time and ramp down time. Ramp down time plays big roll during regeneration. Let’s say your fan has higher inertia and you took the fan to maximum speed you can run and at that speed you stopped. What will happen the energy stored in motor some how has to be taken out from the fan .In that situation regeneration comes in to action. So the energy stored in the fan will be transferred to DC link and from there it will transfer to the power system or grid via regulators. If we have low ramp down time and the energy stored in the fan is high then all the energy has to be transferred in short time. If the drive try to do in short time , there will be increase in the DC link voltage(spike) and it will exceed the maximum rating of the DC link voltage as a result drive will be faulted. So this problem can be solved by increasing the ramp down time. When you increase the ramp down time drive will have enough time to transfer the energy back to system and there won’t be any voltage spike in the DC link voltage of the drive. The reason why re-generation occurs even we stop the drive by putting out put frequency zero there will be torque in the rotor due inertia force and magnetizing current in the stator will produce magnetic filed and motor will act as a generator. If you find your fan has higher inertia and re-generation energy can’t be handle by the drive then best option use costal stop function. During the costal stop there want be any output voltage on the phases and it simply pull out firing pulses from IGBT. Then the energy stored in the motor will reduced by the friction forces in the fan and it will take long time to come to zero speed. However it depends on your application too. If you don’t worry about stopping time and starting time then coastal stop will resolve your problem. cheers steve |
7/23/2009 5:14 PM | |
Joined: 2/3/2009 Last visit: 10/27/2014 Posts: 8 Rating:
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Thank you Steve for the explanation of the motor/drive regen phenomenon. I am a former field service representative of Siemens and have encountered this problem in the past. In most cases, simply increasing the ramp down time improved the situation overall. In this instance, existing legacy drives and competitor drives are operating with the same ramp down times as is set in the G130. Those drives do not experience an overvoltage events or than those caused by fluctuations in the power source. In my experience with Masterdrives, I have seen evidence where if the Regen Pwr Limit was reduced even if the drive was configured for V/Hz, the regenerative effective would also be reduced. I am assuming that as the motor is ramped down, the IGBT firing algorithym automatically adjusts to remove any excess pulses in order to prevent further exciting the motor and there by reducing the potential flux in the motor field which would result in a significant decrease in regen. The problem here is that SINAMICS handles the control of the firing algorithym differently between operating modes. I'm sure there are obvious reasons for doing so (i.e. CU320 CPU utilization management). But my real question is in V/Hz, can the Power Regen Limit be modified, or is it simply ignored, or even yet is it calculated to a fixed value based on the motor model and motor identification calculations? |
7/24/2009 7:22 AM | |
Joined: 4/7/2009 Last visit: 4/27/2022 Posts: 16 Rating:
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Hi zlatan
Default value is ( if complete calculation mode is selected ) -0.01 kW (default value always very low) and if we are using pure V/F control then recommended maximum set point would be the same as rated motoring power.(motor rated power). But for vector control motoring power can go up to 300% of rated power and regeneration power also the same. Normally it is not ignored. Still you can modify P1531 by changing P340 to no calculation mode or any other mode except complete calculation mode. p1240 = 1, 3: |
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