5/25/2016 9:07 PM | |
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please give me a quick short main different between standard and fail-safe module. |
5/25/2016 9:47 PM | |
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Hello Bijoy; Safety PLCs (CPUs, networks and IO modules) are the tools that the automation industry has used to implement Machine Safety international standards, through their recent evolutions: -EN 954 1, from CAT B/1 to CAT 4 -IEC 62061, from SIL1 to SIL3 -ISO 13849-1, from PLa/b to PLe. These standards use other tools, such as risk evaluation, Hazop,, safety components (for example, normalized emergency stop pushbuttons, safety relays and door guards), national safety rules and legislations such as CSA, NFPA and OSHA and statistical analysis, to prevent harm, injuries and death from occurring in industrial settings. So the use of Safety PLCs is only one part of a process that every industry has to follow to prevent accidents of all consequences. Siemens manufacturers F-CPUs (Safety CPUs) for most of its PLC families. Here is a presentation of the F-CPUs of the S7-300 family: Siemens F-CPUs can process both safety and standard programs on the same CPU, with a mixture of Safety I/O and standard I/O. The Safety program is compiled separately from the standard program, and a Safety certificate (from TÜV) is applied to the Safety program on compilation, to prevent undesired changes, and to certify that the required safety category (eg SIL3 or PLd) have been attained. On the suggested webpage you will find numerous links that will help you research this further. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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5/25/2016 10:17 PM | |
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Sir Daniel... it is such a pleasure to read your information rich posts. Sincerely our thanks! Please help me with my confusion - Again my thanks. |
5/25/2016 11:18 PM | |
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Hello William; There are many differences in the components of a F-system compared to a standard CPU + I/O modules, although all are not immediately apparent to the user. For example, test circuits are integrated in all F-I/O modules so the F-CPU can transparently determine the accuracy of all input and outputs required for the safety program. One of the most obvious differences between a standard program and a Safety program, for someone starting to program them, is the requirement for setting monitoring times for different portions of the program: monitoring the cycle time of the Safety program execution, monitoring the communication time between F-CPU and .F-I/O, monitoring the time of communications between F-CPUs, and evaluation the F-system response time. These are all parameters that must be calculated (by the system program and with the help of special documents developed by the Siemens SET team) and integrated in the safety functions. Any exceeding of any monitoring time will cause a shutdown to a safe state of the whole system, even though the reported status of the F-I/O (by themselves) do not cause a shutdown. So, not only does a safety digital input (for example) report on the status of its input signals, it also reports on its operational status to the F-CPU within a predetermined time to ensure the system that it is responsive. Failure to do so disrupts the safety program and causes passivation of the F-DI module. The following manual discusses F-System engineering without getting into the details of each F-CPU family, so it can give general ideas on safety systems. Look in Appedix A for a description of monitoring times. SIMATIC Industrial Software Safety Engineering in SIMATIC S7 https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/ww/en/view/12490443 Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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4/22/2020 3:11 AM | |
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The key difference between fail-safe modules (F-modules) and standard modules is that they have an internal two-channel design. This means the two integrated processors monitor each other, automatically test the input and output circuits, and switch the fail-safe module to a safe state in the event of a fault. The F-CPU communicates with a fail-safe module via the safety-related PROFIsafe bus profile |
4/22/2020 10:34 AM | |
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Hello Dear Bijoy Roy While there are PLC that are "designed" to be fail safe, there is no such thing as a 100% fail safe PLC. That being said, Siemens appears to use the term "fail safe PLC" for its safety PLCs (i.e. Simatic S7 300, 400F, S5-95F, etc) and there is a safety PLC made by Honeywell which has the name "Fail Safe Controller" or FSC. My thought is that this is just wordsmithing by vendors to distinguish their products. The generic name for such a PLC is a safety PLC and they distinguish themselves from regular PLC (commonly called general purpose PLC) by things like increased diagnostics, redundancy, high reliability designs, fail safe design, security features, utilization of safety lifecycle concepts in design and manufacture, and usually third party certification(typically by TUV) to IEC 61508 or other suitable standards for a particular industry. There is a big difference between a Safety PLC and a regular PLC. The Safety PLC is designed with redundant circuitry and cross checking to insure that it always fails to a safe condition. Use of a Safety PLC alone does not insure a safe system, it is only one component in the overall system design.
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