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Sicam ak3 acts as event recorder

Created by: fanana at: 6/13/2016 3:56 AM (4 Replies)

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6/13/2016 3:56 AM	Rate (0)
fanana Posts: 179 Rating: (1)	Dear Sir I have a question related to the sicam ak3 ,does AK 3 work as event recorder like the old siemens (oscillstor)event recorder which obsolete from Siemens now . The idea is this ak3 connecting to the hmi sicam 230 which contains the event logs and so on. As far as I know this product is used for RTU system not like event recorder which should archive event inside it . I am just asking because Siemens right now is not produce event recorder but product only fault recorder .
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Mike J Platinum Expert Joined: 10/9/2007 Last visit: 1/16/2026 Posts: 1295 Rating: (116)	Hi Fanana no, AK3 doesn't generate them and cannot retrieve them from other devices. Sicam Disto or Sicam PQS can retrieve fault records from devices But it is not true that we don't have Event Recorder: Siprotec 5 7KE is the successor of Simeas R: http://w3.siemens.com/smartgrid/global/en/products-systems-solutions/Protection/fault-recorder/Pages/7KE85.aspx
	Last edited by: Mike J at: 6/13/2016 12:55:23 PM Last edited by: Mike J at: 6/13/2016 12:56:04 PM Energy Automation products: Sicam, Siprotec, Digsi
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6/13/2016 3:59 PM	Rate (0)
fanana Posts: 179 Rating: (1)	Dear mike thanks for your information so it means that you don't recommend to use this SICAM AK 3 as an event recorder ysing the SICAM 230 HMI,i though also it is very expensive compare with the little function required . I agree with you but KE85 is working as fault recorder not an event recorder because there is a different between event recorder and fault recorder as a concept . but any way so also need the SICAM PQS and siemens analyser to monitor the event if I am going to use the 7KE85 thank you for your replay
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6/14/2016 7:24 PM	Rate (0)
Mike J Platinum Expert Joined: 10/9/2007 Last visit: 1/16/2026 Posts: 1295 Rating: (116)	Hi Fanana I was thinking about fault records. By Event Recorder it depends on what you mean with it and how you want to retrieve data. I have just some knowledge about 1703 and some colleagues here may help, if not send an email to Support. Let me give examples with Siprotec and PAS: Siprotec can act as Event Recorder, but these Events can only be retrieved by Digsi. Siprotec 4 stores 200 Events and Siprotec 5 2000. Any System, such as PAS or 1703, which connects to the device can retrieve the Events which are in the buffer from IEC61850, which is of course limited. If you reset or shut down Siprotec, buffer is gone. Sicam PAS itsefl can get Information from IEDs and send it to an IHM as 230 and SCC. PAS itself doesn't record data in ist database, which is done by the IHM. PAS has also buffer, but if reset, it is gone. PAS has some Options to store Events and measurements, but it is on a proprietary Format, called Post Disturbance Recorder. You will get a file similar to a fault record. Now with 7KE you really have an Event record, apart from the Fault Recorder. 7KE has 16GB SD Card to store the following files only, which means it could work alone and you retrieve the files when you Need only. In 7KE you have the Options to: - store the Events in slow scan fault Recorders, which records RMS measurements or you could only record the Events. You will get a fault record - store Events in SOE files (this is the best Definition of Event Recorder) and These SOE files can be downloaded with Digsi. Only Event are recorded. - record Events using the trend Recorders. These are also recorded with analogs, but you can disalbe the them. These are PQ Diff files and PAS can retrieve and Show them using PQ Analyzer. Attachment x.zip (338 Downloads)
	Energy Automation products: Sicam, Siprotec, Digsi
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6/14/2016 11:40 PM	Rate (0)
fanana Posts: 179 Rating: (1)	dear mike thank you for valuable information ,till now i didn't contact the support . i was working in event rcorder siemens product it was like the siemeas R in the size and shape also but to retrive the data from this device it was by SEREX software ,but right now siemens dosn't produce this type of event recorder and right now i am looking foe successor for it in siemens . the most important things is that the stored event should be inside the device even i shutdown or reset device like SIEMAS R and also 7KE85 .what i understand right now that the SICAM 1703 especially AK3 can't store event inside like 7KE85 and SIEMAS R ,please confirm me this information from your colleques . i know that using any hmi i can use archive to store that data inside the HMI using wincc or SICAM 230 ,but the most important thing the device which contains bi nary inputs can store the data for long time . by the way we have in the same substaion the 7KE85 and it is working as fault recorder which contains voltage cureents and binary inputs but our custopmer need another system called event recorder panels as it was before using SEREX as mentioned before thanks and best regards
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