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how to disable the axis sinumerik 840D

Created by: vavco at: 4/15/2013 11:20 AM (10 Replies)

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4/15/2013 11:20 AM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	Hi to all , my question is about the machine with Sinumerik 840D,NCU 572 ,MMC 103 We had to download backup NC and PLC data to make the machine workable. (problem with 24V supply unit ; in NCU 572.2 general reset was also made) But , some problem appeared with one axis which does not have a real motor and its 2 encoders ( passive , active {scale} ) connected . There is a driver for this axis configured in machine data , but we do not have neither the motor nor the active encoder (scale), there are just free cables going from the driver, but not connected on the second side. At the moment , we have a couple of errors regarding to unplugged motor and encoders ( encoder faults , temperature fault [ sensor installed into the motor] axis fault ) Errors are only in mentioned axis without of the motor and active encoder . We do not need this axis for working programs and we want to disable this axis. Could you give any advice how to do it ? Thank you for your comments.

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4/15/2013 2:09 PM	Rate (0)
Ekalavya Posts: 2964 Rating: (484)	Hello, MD 30130: CTRLOUT_TYPE -->1 -->0 simulation MD 30240: ENC_TYPE-->1 or 4 -->0 simulation what alarm do you provide us alarm nos ??? Regards, Prakash
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4/22/2013 9:32 PM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	thank you Prakash , well , to resume more ... 1. if A1 axis is as it was after downloading backup important errors : 700008 pre-warning temperature rise drives 25201 axis A1 drive fault 300613 axis A1 drive 6 maximum permissible temperature 25001 axis A1 hardware fault of passive encoder 25000 axis A1 hardware fault of active encoder 300504 axis A1 drive 6 fault of motor transducer 300614 axis A1 drive 6 time monitoring for motor temperature there are more "errors" as not referenced axis but I think it is not significant... [more pictures taken from the screen are located in my thread : backup after general NC and PLC reset of NCU 572.2 - this thread continues it ] in this time I can observe : drive [double] : B1 , Z1 is ready red led off drive [double] : X1 , Y1 is ready red led off drive [double] : Z2 , A1 is not ready red led on 2. after changing parameters MD 30130 ---> 0 both of MD 30240 ---> 0 erorrs : ( attached picture / A1 axis disabled ) in this time , drive [double] : B1 , Z1 not ready red led on drive [double] : X1 , Y1 not ready red led on drive [double] : Z2 , A1 not ready red led on a similar situation is when I make A1 axis as inactive by changing mode of the axis in drive configuration menu What I do not understand is that I still have error "700008 pre-warning temperature rise drives" and drives B1,Z1 X1,Y1 are not ready , despite it they are ready when A1 is not disabled. (I thought that this error is tide to : 300613 axis A1 drive 6 maximum permissible temperature) what does 700008 error mean ? is it internal or external error of Simodrive 611 unit generally ? I only know that all motors have temperature sensors integrated , I understand error " 300613 axis A1 drive 6 maximum permissible temperature" which has a sense because if A1 is active and there is no cable connection from drive to motor , there must be this kind of error. Could you, please, give me some information about it ? I do not have any idea what I should search due 700008 error. best regards , Vlado Attachment A1 axis disabled.jpg (838 Downloads)

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4/23/2013 8:25 AM	Rate (0)
APC Tech Team Posts: 391 Rating: (50)	Alarm 700008 is set from PLC Program SET MD13000 for the Drive A1 to 0 MD 13000: DRIVE_IS_ACTIVE[x] Only applies to drives with SIMODRIVE 611D! A drive is activated/deactivated with this MD. 1: Drive is active 0: Drive is not active. The drive is not supplied with setpoints and is not monitored. No input [actual value] or output [setpoint] can be configured on this module. This module is only taken into account during basic initialization of the drive bus. The machine data MD 13020: DRIVE_INVERTER_CODE, MD 13010: DRIVE_LOGIC_NR, MD 13030: DRIVE_MODULE_TYPE and MD 13040: DRIVE_TYPE must be parameterized. The slot number of a real available drive is used as the index [n]. [Slot nos.] : 0-14 The index is numbered from the beginning of the drive bus starting with "0" (corresponds to 1st real drive available) and continues in ascending order to the end. 810D is assigned the slot nos. 0-5.
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4/23/2013 10:56 AM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	thanks a lot APC .... to say the truth , I only understood that I have to change MD 13000.Is it enough ? (I'm more skilfull for fixing hardware and not familiar for doing some software [parameters] changes ) I do not know who or what has to parameterized these data : --------------------------------------------------------------- MD 13020: DRIVE_INVERTER_CODE, MD 13010: DRIVE_LOGIC_NR, MD 13030: DRIVE_MODULE_TYPE and MD 13040: DRIVE_TYPE When I have to do it , what is a way ? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The slot number of a real available drive is used as the index [n]. [Slot nos.] : 0-14 The index is numbered from the beginning of the drive bus starting with "0" (corresponds to 1st real drive available) and continues in ascending order to the end. 810D is assigned the slot nos. 0-5. Should I also understand this? Or ,this is only some kind of explanation of differencies between 810 - 840 and not important in my case ? I understood that 840 can have 15 drives , 810 only 6 drives. I do apologize for this , maybe I ask stupid questions... Anyway , I would be thankfull for your comments. Take care , Vlado

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4/23/2013 1:32 PM	Rate (0)
APC Tech Team Posts: 391 Rating: (50)	vavco thanks a lot APC .... to say the truth , I only understood that I have to change MD 13000.Is it enough ? (Take care , Vlado only MD13000 to 0 Only ......... is only explanation of MD 13000 out of DoconCD
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4/23/2013 4:15 PM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	thanks again APC , I hope the problem is going to be solved by this change. have a nice day , Vlado

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4/24/2013 10:13 AM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	changes in axis A1 MD 30130 = 0 MD 30240 = 0 both MD 13000 = 0 I got 700009 alarm : Simodrive 611 not ready for work power module E/R is with orange led on , but all drives with red led on !!! Why all drives are not ready ? They are ready ( except of A1 if this axis is active) and they are going not to be after changes only in A1.... quite not understandable for me ... I do not understand what can be such difficult to disable any axis ... Any suggestions ? Vlado
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4/24/2013 11:53 AM	Rate (0)
APC Tech Team Posts: 391 Rating: (50)	The alarm 700009 is released by the PLC. Because we do not know the PLC of the machine. we cannot help there. This will be able to do only of the machines manufacturer
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4/24/2013 2:05 PM	Rate (0)
vavco Advanced Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Last visit: 11/14/2024 Posts: 53 Rating: (2)	Thank you for a reply APC , So , I have understood that only a person who has created software for such kind of hardware machine equipment is able to make changes... My question is : Will anybody ( I mean a trained siemens person ) do this with a help of stored files on CD? There is the CD with 3 files: 1.archiv ( PC and NC file [but only with old version] stored , with using A1 motor and encoder presenting . ) 2. Ghost ( xxx.gho file) and 3.S7 projektabzug (german producer of the machine) Before I created this thread , I was calling a person who is much more skillful for siemens . After describing this problem to him , he has told me that there is also some changes in PLC needed .(except of MD changes). He is further from the machine than me , so , I wanted to try to make it workable by change of MD configuration at least.It did not solve ... So , do we have to call the machine producer or is it enough to turn attention at some siemens specialist ? (as the mentioned guy above) Thanks , best regards Vlado

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