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Cursorbuttons as input?

Created by: Absolut at: 3/12/2008 6:40 AM (11 Replies)

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3/12/2008 6:40 AM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	I am quite experienced with programming S5 and S7 so it was easy to find out how to program the Logo!230.I want to use the cursorbuttons to manually switch on and off the externalllightning of mystable.I programmed the C1 and C2 button but nothing happens when i push them, they don't even light up in online mode. I have the0BA5 version. Would be happy to get some suggestions or tips. //Jeff
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3/12/2008 11:16 AM	Rate (0)
Solar Element Posts: 40 Rating: (1)	I suppose you press ESC + up (or left...) button. Well, I've experienced you don't usually get a response at first attempt. I often have to try 3, 4 times ESC + up (or left...) button, before I can have a response. I hope this will help you. Paolo
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3/12/2008 11:53 AM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	Ok i will try that, i think it is a little bit strange that i have to push escape aswell as i cannot find any info about that (could be i didn't read well enough) Thank you very much for your quick reply anyway. I will test it and let you know.
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3/12/2008 6:33 PM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	Nothing happends when i press ESC+C1 or another cursor button. On ESC i also open the menu on the Logo! I will test some more when i have more time, probably this weekend but in the mean time if there is anybody that knows (am i the only one with this problem or the only one using the cursorbuttons?) please come with any idea..
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3/12/2008 7:03 PM	Rate (0)
Solar Element Posts: 40 Rating: (1)	I suggest you to right click on C1 block, go to properties, simulation and selectbetween choises and try. I Hope this will help. Paolo
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3/13/2008 8:18 AM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	It was stated as a switch, i changed it to momentary pushbutton (which it has to be aswell) but i don't think this will help much. I will have to test online another time because my laptop is broken and i am waiting for a new one. Or i have to borrow the field PG from work but i guess my boss wouldn't like that. In simulation the button works, it's when i downloaded the program the function doesn't work and it does not react when i look online.
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3/13/2008 12:37 PM	Rate (0)
Fux Posts: 661 Rating: (123)	Hi Absolut, please have a look at page 85 (chapter 3.7.6) at the manual: http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/21221909 You must go to the screen with the cursor key symbols to be able to use the cursor keys. If you havedisplayed a message text (permanently), you can use the cursor keys directly. Then it is NOT necessary to go to this screen.
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3/13/2008 8:58 PM	Rate (0)
Betel Platinum Member Joined: 1/5/2007 Last visit: 4/7/2023 Posts: 1690 Rating: (584)	Hello Absolut, the preceding responses let recognize, that you would prepare your circuit here for a long time once should, because next to the already mentioned facts: 1. preceding response of FUX concerning the condition, that for the correct function at least one Text message must be active and 2. preceding 1st response of Solar Element concerning the experience, that partial no Key recognition occurs and must be repeated the use, 3.absolutely still following facts concerning the simulation at the personal computer (and where appropriate in the circuit) to consider: If as an input instrument the LOGO!-Cursortasten are used, then you must change the regulation of the standard simulation characteristics urgently necessary, because these cursor keys can real (therefore at the LOGO!) only feeling single pulses of exact a logo! cycle time onto those ones transmitting circuit!!! This also means, that in a circuit the key pressing time can no be a longer time - that is impossible! To save this, that one immediately to the cursor key unit add a unit "and with flank recognition of 0 after 1" ... Best regards Betel
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3/14/2008 5:24 PM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	Thank you all for your responces! It's like Fux says, i had to push the left cursor first to get into the 'ESC+cursor ' menu!I actually found out myself today..It's easy as that but i think that i could be described when you use the help function in the Logo! software. I will put a permanent text in the display to avoid searching for the cursor menu (in case someone else wants to operate the panel) Once more thanks for all answers!
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3/14/2008 5:29 PM	Rate (0)
Absolut Posts: 7 Rating: (1)	Betel If as an input instrument the LOGO!-Cursortasten are used, then you must change the regulation of the standard simulation characteristics urgently necessary, because these cursor keys can real (therefore at the LOGO!) only feeling single pulses of exact a logo! cycle time onto those ones transmitting circuit!!! This also means, that in a circuit the key pressing time can no be a longer time - that is impossible! To save this, that one immediately to the cursor key unit add a unit "and with flank recognition of 0 after 1" ... Best regards Betel I am not sure what you mean but i think you are saying that i cannot program the cursorbutton that way that you have to hold it in for a while? This works fine for me, i have to hold in esc+C1 for 3 seconds to get the function i programmed, the cycle time is less then that.. I could missunderstand what you wrote though /absolut
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8/11/2009 11:36 AM	Rate (0)
Paulvdb Posts: 21 Rating: (2)	Me too, I designed a circuit, using the cursor keys on the logo. It didn't work properly even after trying all the sugested sollutions. I have the impression that using the cursor keys as input is not a reliable at all. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I can't tell the operator (the person that will have to use this LOGO in a production enviroment) nor the boss... that it "probably will work now and then"... Siemens/LOGO made a serious error here. Too bad ... But I enabled notification ... so if some one comes up with a serious sollution (when it works exactly like on the simulation)....
Paulvdb Posts: 21 Rating: (2)	Last edited by: Paulvdb at: 8/11/2009 11:43 AM Last edited by: Paulvdb at: 8/11/2009 11:41 AM
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8/21/2009 1:03 PM	Rate (0)
Fux Posts: 661 Rating: (123)	Paulvdb I have the impression that using the cursor keys as input is not a reliable at all. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I can't tell the operator (the person that will have to use this LOGO in a production enviroment) nor the boss... that it "probably will work now and then"... Siemens/LOGO made a serious error here. Too bad ... ... sometimes the problem is sitting in front of the display. So happened to me. LOGO! sometimes didn´t react when i pressed ESC + Cx. But it was my mistake. I did not look into the display good enough: I try to describe what happened: I used some cursor keys in the circuit to switch something on/off. And i alsohad placed a message text showing some text and a parameter. Now i tried to switch with ESC+C1. Problem: I pressed ESC too long and came into parameter mode then. This is indicated by a blinking cursor at the 1st position of the parameter. But this is only a underline _ and nearly not visible. So i didn´t realize that i was in parameter mode and tried again ESC+C1. Then i succeeded. Because with pressing ESC the 2nd time, i left parameter mode again. Solution: Make sure that you follow with the cursor key within 1 second after holding ESC (otherwise you are in parameter mode) or Enable "protection" in the message text !!!!!! With "protection active", the parameters which are displayed in the message text can´t be changed and possibility for parametrizing is switched off then. But don´t wait too long to follow with "Cx" after pressing ESC, else it won´t cause any reaction either. So i think what makes lots of operators problems is that ESC is used twice: - hold ESC for at least 1 Sec. -> Change parameter in message text - hold ESC + press cursor key -> reaction of the application But YOU as engineer can avoid these situations by prgramming ("protection" , work with different message texts, ...). Attached the accordant part of the manual. This should help! Regards Fux Attachment Changing parameters in active message text.pdf (505 Downloads)
Fux Posts: 661 Rating: (123)	Last edited by: Fux at: 8/21/2009 1:37 PM attached PDF Last edited by: Fux at: 8/21/2009 1:05 PM
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