Today is the end of the year 2022, and..

*LOGO cannot carry the calculating program, read the inputs signals and ensure response accuracy in output, that too in a relatively slow context.

*With a larger program (over 150 block), LOGO is capable of going madness, where inputs cannot be read anymore correctly or confusing orders are given to the outputs as well, which can cause a very dangerous situation.

It means that, there is something to develop in reality.

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Split from LOGO! 25 year competition extension.

erku

Today is the end of the year 2022, and..

*LOGO does not have an expansion module, such as a PWM module,

to connect to any modern small motor control module.

*LOGO cannot carry the calculating program, read the inputs signals and ensure response accuracy in output, that too in a relatively slow context.

That's not what the logo is for.It is just a very small PLC for small controllers and cannot be compared with an S7.

*With a larger program (over 150 block), LOGO is capable of going madness, where inputs cannot be read anymore correctly or confusing orders are given to the outputs as well, which can cause a very dangerous situation.

I cannot confirm such behavior.Of course you have to build your program in a structured way and pay special attention to the timing!But this applies to every PLC.General tip: Do not use "copy and paste" when programming.

It means that, there is something to develop in reality.

Of course there is always something that can be further developed.Many users here in the forum have already given comments and suggestions.It remains to be hoped that Siemens will also include this in their next version...

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Split from LOGO! 25 year competition extension.

Ella_68

 That's not what the logo is for.It is just a very small PLC for small controllers and cannot be compared with an S7.

Some basic things like incremental encoder support. NanoPLCs from other companies have it..

(Instead of developing pointless and faulty by design support for Amazon's cloud service...)

Of course there is always something that can be further developed.Many users here in the forum have already given comments and suggestions.It remains to be hoped that Siemens will also include this in their next version...

Nervous laughter in the back row.

After most of development was moved to China, the decline in product quality has been obvious. Instead of fixing known bugs, efforts are made to ensure that the firmware is encrypted. Problems are created due to carelessness, which are then solved heroically. LSC 8.3 is an eyesore thanks to font selection. LWE developers can't fix typos even when pointed to it more than once. 

How many software errors have been described even in this forum, what has been the response from Siemens, apart from deep silence or pointless self-praise and the organization of "competitions"?

 Hello WWEE,

WWEE

Some basic things like incremental encoder support. NanoPLCs from other companies have it..

Of course I agree with you completely. Not only does Siemens have to step up its game in order not to be left behind in the end. In addition, the price must not increase, otherwise the device becomes uninteresting for small circuits.

(Instead of developing pointless and faulty by design support for Amazon's cloud service...)

In my opinion, the logo with the AWS is overwhelmed. And if you are only tied to one provider, exposed to an arbitrary pricing policy. Above all, without the possibility of integration via your own cloud, this is absolutely uninteresting. That's why I'm giving this option a wide berth.

Nervous laughter in the back row.

After most of development was moved to China, the decline in product quality has been obvious. Instead of fixing known bugs, efforts are made to ensure that the firmware is encrypted. Problems are created due to carelessness, which are then solved heroically. LSC 8.3 is an eyesore thanks to font selection. LWE developers can't fix typos even when pointed to it more than once. 

How many software errors have been described even in this forum, what has been the response from Siemens, apart from deep silence or pointless self-praise and the organization of "competitions"?

Well, I see it from a different perspective, but ultimately I agree. Large companies and corporations are eager to retain new customers. Hence the many glossy brochures and high advertising expenditure.

Existing customers are just a nuisance.Suggestions, references to errors in the product and suggestions for improvement are hardly taken into account or do not get through to the right places. Dealing with feedback from existing customers is simply too expensive.

To be honest, I'm surprised that Siemens even affords such a forum (that's why we have to maintain this platform and keep it clean against hate and other unpleasant things !!!). There are certain divisions in the group that definitely make a lot more profit than such a small logo for everyone.

Let's see if they really work hard with the next version...

  Ella_68

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For me it is very good product. I use it fully 400 blocks or nearly 400 blocks without any lag or problems. My problem is 400 blocks is not enough for me.

Cloud services on AWS seem complicated and cost high along with how to make payment not so easy. I recommend SIEMENS make own cloud server and free of charge. Make it more simple and less cost to use LWE cloud services. This will boost sales of LOGO for sure.

But I am looking forward to more advance and more features in newest LOGO 9.0

Example :

Integrated WIFI extender-repeater

Expansion module that is RS485 RTU modbus server ( it may replace LOGO CIM )

Fix loading time of LWE webpage that is quite slow. I am not sure it is memory card slow access or communication slow.

Have WIFI web camera brand siemens that can work with new version LWE more easily and faster.

If possible new LOGO 9.00 came with color LCD display . I think it will be very big upgrade can be very useful such as display graphical or picture. It can show information like a mini HMI. Graph trends and etc...

ixo65

 

M111

For me it is very good product. I use it fully 400 blocks or nearly 400 blocks without any lag or problems. My problem is 400 blocks is not enough for me.

Cloud services on AWS seem complicated and cost high along with how to make payment not so easy. I recommend SIEMENS make own cloud server and free of charge. Make it more simple and less cost to use LWE cloud services. This will boost sales of LOGO for sure.

But I am looking forward to more advance and more features in newest LOGO 9.0

Example :

Integrated WIFI extender-repeater

Expansion module that is RS485 RTU modbus server ( it may replace LOGO CIM )

Fix loading time of LWE webpage that is quite slow. I am not sure it is memory card slow access or communication slow.

Have WIFI web camera brand siemens that can work with new version LWE more easily and faster.

If possible new LOGO 9.00 came with color LCD display . I think it will be very big upgrade can be very useful such as display graphical or picture. It can show information like a mini HMI. Graph trends and etc...

And it will probably continue to cost the same or maybe even cheaper... 

 Cost 100 USD still good price if possible. And if LCD screen is touch screen, it can elimenate the use mechanical keys also.

Siemens cloud services can be free or make some money to Siemens  along with promoting sales of LOGO in the same time. As I know Arduino came more popular working with Blynk to show dashboard on cloud. They are cheaper in HW and cloud services fee.

First of all, thanks from reacting.

First, what is the need for this little controller? For these home solutions/ smart house projects, web cloud solutions etc. actually already exist hundreds of different ones and small "programmable industrial controller" as is in no way its primar target.. or?

What do I really use it for... Circular saws, presses, winding machines, automatic drills, casting machine robots, safety lights, sewing machines, lifting equipment, etc. These are machines, that work every day, not toys or learning tools and there is no place for internet cloud service nor to other bling-bling solutions.

And, of course, the controller must read data from somewhere (sensors, encoders, rulers) and it must to command something (solenoid drives, motor control drives, relays). And in recent times, even the simplest solution is becoming problematic, because today's small motor technology often does not have this control option 0-5V or 0-10V anymore; primary is PWM, then there may be 2 or more canal EncStep simulator or other data. If we now add that the transistor output does not always respond on time and the possibility, that the thing will go stupid, then a difficult situation has arisen; that device simply cannot be used. It's that simple.

erku

First of all, thanks from reacting.

First, what is the need for this little controller? For these home solutions/ smart house projects, web cloud solutions etc. actually already exist hundreds of different ones and small "programmable industrial controller" as is in no way its primar target.. or?

What do I really use it for... Circular saws, presses, winding machines, automatic drills, casting machine robots, safety lights, sewing machines, lifting equipment, etc. These are machines, that work every day, not toys or learning tools and there is no place for internet cloud service nor to other bling-bling solutions.

And, of course, the controller must read data from somewhere (sensors, encoders, rulers) and it must to command something (solenoid drives, motor control drives, relays). And in recent times, even the simplest solution is becoming problematic, because today's small motor technology often does not have this control option 0-5V or 0-10V anymore; primary is PWM, then there may be 2 or more canal EncStep simulator or other data. If we now add that the transistor output does not always respond on time and the possibility, that the thing will go stupid, then a difficult situation has arisen; that device simply cannot be used. It's that simple.

So why use it and not, for example, the S7-1200.

On the LOGO 8.0 + HMI, one "smart machine" project took 3 weeks to program and test and the same project has also been done for S7 and it took more than 3 months for another team.

All the makers were at the professional level and the end result was the same. This is an eloquent argument.

An example of a problematic one:

U002 goes crazy if the program is stopped / if the machine is not started from the 0 position (arbitrary numbers dance on the HMI screen, the motor drive swings completely randomly; the machine never comes out of the madness on its own). 

 So you need fast digital output..? I like to get expansion module with transister output also. 

Yes ,machine control with SIEMENS LOGO is better stable and reliable than those Arduino base controller, just my believe. Most of all it much easier to program.