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Created by: Raheel at: 4/16/2007 11:06 AM (10 Replies)

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4/16/2007 11:06 AM	Rate (0)
Raheel Bronze Member Joined: 8/10/2006 Last visit: 1/16/2025 Posts: 156 Rating: (3)	Dear All, I have worked with a number of historian solutions like Simatic IT Historian, Storage PLUS, MIS-Light. But I want to take your suggestion on its usage with PCS7 base system. Below are the specs from client: Daily and shift reports Long term trends Graphics Operator Logs Production and management reports Discrete events Operator actions Alarm history Operator msg history Sequence of events The online data is required for atleast one year. My other question is that can I still buy MIS-light. Why did siemens ended such a nice product? Kindly suggest Kind regards, RJ

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4/16/2007 2:37 PM	Rate (0)
Danielle Posts: 1275 Rating: (123)	Hi, Simatic IT Historian does work just fine with PCS 7! In fact, PCS 7 is already built up for connection with level 3, so it should be even easier and better! For reports you might consider Simatic IT's report solution as well... Best regards, Danielle
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4/16/2007 5:43 PM	Rate (0)
Raheel Bronze Member Joined: 8/10/2006 Last visit: 1/16/2025 Posts: 156 Rating: (3)	I worked or rather played with the configuration of Simatic IT historian several times. But to add one point in a pre-defined class archiving would take approx. 10mins, and after that you are not 100% sure if you get the data. Trends are superb and can show 500ms values aswell. Sequence and Alarm Historian Data Display component is like a toy in front of WinCC Online Trends, for which we dont have any explanation to client. Simatic IT Report Managerwhich is a third company solutionismaking things worse. The refresh time for 10points of 24hrstakes 20 mins to 30 mins. For more than a year, we tried to solve the problems, in the end the Simatic guy said that the report manager version which A&D shipped is wrong. New version is 6.0 and I have v1.3 But he cannot send the new one without its cost. Any other opinions are welcome!

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4/16/2007 6:34 PM	Rate (1)
Danielle Posts: 1275 Rating: (123)	Raheel But to add one point in a pre-defined class archiving would take approx. 10mins, and after that you are not 100% sure if you get the data. Trends are superb and can show 500ms values aswell. Simatic IT Report Managerwhich is a third company solutionismaking things worse. The refresh time for 10points of 24hrstakes 20 mins to 30 mins. For more than a year, we tried to solve the problems, in the end the Simatic guy said that the report manager version which A&D shipped is wrong. New version is 6.0 and I have v1.3 But he cannot send the new one without its cost. Hi, Simatic IT, as other siemens products, has several versions for all software. Compatibility tends to become a complex issue, and bring up some problems. I talked to our Simatic IT specialists, and they said they have never seen such problems (not getting data on historian, or the report issue). It could be compatibility, or your computer could have less resources than you need for what you're trying to accomplish. If you purchased all the software on the same time, the versions should be compatible. If A&D sent you the wrong one, and you're not a Simatic IT Solutions Partner, then you should talk to your local partner, to work it together. If you want to give up on Simatic IT entirely you can use other level 3 software. Theoretically the good ones do have good and easy access to different level 2 products. They must have an OPC of some sort for that. We've just become a Simatic IT Solutions Partner. Some of our guys just got back from Genoa, and all of the Simatic IT department seems to be pretty impressed by the features. Best regards, Danielle
Danielle Posts: 1275 Rating: (123)	Last edited by: Danielle at: 16.04.2007 18:37
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4/17/2007 3:05 AM	Rate (0)
Dec Gold Expert Joined: 5/19/2006 Last visit: 12/3/2024 Posts: 549 Rating: (107)	Raheel Trends are superb and can show 500ms values aswell. Sequence and Alarm Historian Data Display component is like a toy in front of WinCC Online Trends, for which we dont have any explanation to client. Any other opinions are welcome! My opinion is that IT Historian trends looks very much like ActiveFactory v9 trends . Dec Danielle, Keep up with good work. I am sureSEA PCS7 Marketing group here in the statesare very jealous of not having somebody like youhere.
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4/17/2007 8:38 AM	Rate (0)
Raheel Bronze Member Joined: 8/10/2006 Last visit: 1/16/2025 Posts: 156 Rating: (3)	Danielle It could be compatibility, or your computer could have less resources than you need for what you're trying to accomplish. If you purchased all the software on the same time, the versions should be compatible. If A&D sent you the wrong one, and you're not a Simatic IT Solutions Partner, then you should talk to your local partner, to work it together. Danielle I send all the versions and operating system information to the Simatic Support, but they have not pointed out anything particular. For the PC resources I have put in1.5GB RAM on a 3GHZ Fujitsu Siemens Industrial PC. The harddisk size is around 40GB till now, but we are preparing to upgrade it. For me Historian and its services are reliable, also the switching to redundant PCS7 server is working great. I want to stick to the solution despite the fact that we have made our own historian which ofcourse is not able to work like PDA, which do complex algorithm archiving. But its gathering data after 5 minute avg value. The reportingis done in Excel. Refresh rates are within 1 minute. Please if anyone can sort out our problem regarding REPORT MANAGER V1.3 Also the local A&D doesnot have necessary information on this. Can we apply for Simatic IT partnership?

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4/17/2007 1:51 PM	Rate (0)
Danielle Posts: 1275 Rating: (123)	Raheel Also the local A&D doesnot have necessary information on this. Can we apply for Simatic IT partnership? Hi Raheel, Our Guys in Genoa took days of classes only on computer hardware for Simatic IT. So they say the configuration is very detailed, and there are many elements to be looked at, like the boards' specifications, besides the RAM, HD and all... Siemens created the partnership program to ensure all customers would get the best suppliers possible, who would provide them with a complete solution. That's why I suggested that you look for them, and request consulting services on your case. To apply for the partnership we contacted our local salesperson, who is responsible for Simatic IT in the whole country. Since we're already Siemens Solutions Partner in many fields, he had some meetings with us, to evaluate our potencial. Then he had the guy who's responsible for the products in all of Latin America come from Genoa here, to know us. That's when they approved us. Then we sent 4 guys to Genoa for almost 4 months for trainings on the products. It takes an initial investment, and further investment every year to become a partner. This investment is both in money and effort, for the trainings. Also... here in Brazil Siemens decided to have a specific amount of partners, each covering a particular field, so they don't compete directly. There is a company for the cement industry, one for the chemical one, and we're the metals and mining responsible. This means all work in your field will be handed to you, since you have more knowledge on it. But if a customer needs something in a field other than these Siemens will choose the partner with the most experience on it to handle the case. Here's some more info on the Simatic IT Partner Program... Dec, Thank you, but I didn't mean for it to sound like I'm advertising the product... The thing is I've come to really like Siemens products, after developing with several different manufacturers. So I trust their solutions... But this has indeed helped the commercial department on different occasions. Lately they've wanted me to go along on site surveys and the first meetings with possible customers... guess now I might know why... Best regards, Danielle
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4/21/2007 9:07 AM	Rate (0)
Raheel Bronze Member Joined: 8/10/2006 Last visit: 1/16/2025 Posts: 156 Rating: (3)	Thanks all for replies!

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4/21/2007 7:18 PM	Rate (0)
Danielle Posts: 1275 Rating: (123)	You're welcome... Are you considering applying for Simatic IT partnership? If not, on that site you can find a partner to help you Let us know how things work for you... Best regards and good luck, Danielle
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4/23/2007 9:19 AM	Rate (0)
Raheel Bronze Member Joined: 8/10/2006 Last visit: 1/16/2025 Posts: 156 Rating: (3)	Danielle If not, on that site you can find a partner to help you Yea maybe if someone can send me the latest demo for report manager v6 for testing. Do you know from where I can get IDB installation? Kind regards, RJ

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