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Created by: Mr Lindh at: 6/16/2012 10:04 PM (14 Replies)

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6/16/2012 10:04 PM	Rate (0)
Mr Lindh Bronze Member Joined: 2/12/2011 Last visit: 11/13/2024 Posts: 95 Rating: (33)	Hello. I am workingon a dayly basis in tia portal SCL. I have up3 installed. I have at least 1-3 chrashes per day . I also had lots of chrashes wile copy paste, it's not related to copy something special, sometimes code, sometimes comments.... Sometimes i think it has to do with the function allowig you to hide parts of code (Collaps, Expand). The portal chrashes also very often when working with or within IF statements. I would say that it's still very instable. However, much better than SP1. I'm running in win 7 64Bit. SSD disks and 8Gig of Ram. My suggestion , Save a lot of copies while working. Waiting for next release.... //Mattias Lindh
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6/17/2012 10:17 AM	Rate (0)
Mr Lindh Bronze Member Joined: 2/12/2011 Last visit: 11/13/2024 Posts: 95 Rating: (33)	HI again. I will start to post crashes here..... 2012-06-17 10:00 Chrash when wirting code for new temp var in FB block. (Within an if statement) See attachment. //M. Lindh. Attachment Tia Chrash 20120617 10_00.jpg (403 Downloads)
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Mr Lindh Bronze Member Joined: 2/12/2011 Last visit: 11/13/2024 Posts: 95 Rating: (33)	2012-06-17 12:50 Tia portal chrash after change in SCL code and compile during download to simulator.No structual changes made, only one small change in logic. Since last chrash i have tried to create a new project and copy the whole PLC and HMI program into the new project and rebuild of everything. After this it have worked fine for almost 3 hours, now this Chrash during compile. Anyone else that experiencelots of stability problem in Tia portal? //Mr: Lindh. Attachment Tia Crash 20120617 12_50.JPG (430 Downloads)
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6/17/2012 2:53 PM	Rate (0)
IBN-Service Posts: 8946 Rating: (999)	Mr Lindh I will start to post crashes here..... Hi M. Lindh, it is very important to install the Update 3 for TIA V11 SP2: http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/58112582 but frankly, the TIA is still very disappointing... The handling is more a handicap, features are less, system is still not running stable. It seems that Siemes only take take care of provide a cheap done but still expensive to buy software. They don't listen to the needs of their customers. I use TIA only if I have to do a 1200 CPU. For 300 and 400 CPU I will use Step7 V5.5 "classic" as long as possible. It will need some more years until TIA "professional" becomes really a professional software, I am afraid.
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6/17/2012 4:02 PM	Rate (0)
Mr Lindh Bronze Member Joined: 2/12/2011 Last visit: 11/13/2024 Posts: 95 Rating: (33)	Hi. - Tanks for your reply - Yes, I have Update 3 installed. I agree in terms of restricitve use of the software. I am working in a big project to make a new programming standard for one company. As this is a project for the future there is no other logical way than use the new software. So lets hope it's getting better soon. //M. Lindh.
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6/19/2012 1:52 PM	Rate (0)
Darius Platinum Expert Joined: 9/28/2005 Last visit: 11/5/2024 Posts: 2957 Rating: (242)	Mr Lindh I will start to post crashes here..... Well posting crashes here can only express your internal bad feelings, nothing more. No one are capable of helping with crashes because this is a job for developers, so I'd recommend you to post all crashes to Support Request. In that case it would be at least positive thing and maybe we will have fixes faster. Also you will help others by doing so.
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Darius Platinum Expert Joined: 9/28/2005 Last visit: 11/5/2024 Posts: 2957 Rating: (242)	IBN-Service For 300 and 400 CPU I will use Step7 V5.5 "classic" as long as possible. Don't be so optimistic my friend. We speak about Siemens here. They will simply cut support for new hardware in Step-7 and you will be forced to move to TIA . Well actually they are already doing so, first it was S7-1200, now it is Comfort panels. Who knows what will happen in the future
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6/19/2012 5:53 PM	Rate (0)
IBN-Service Posts: 8946 Rating: (999)	Darius Don't be so optimistic my friend. We speak about Siemens here. They will simply cut support for new hardware in Step-7 and you will be forced to move to TIA ... Oh dear, you are right, unfortunately...
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6/19/2012 7:34 PM	Rate (0)
Mr Lindh Bronze Member Joined: 2/12/2011 Last visit: 11/13/2024 Posts: 95 Rating: (33)	Darius Mr Lindh I will start to post crashes here..... Well posting crashes here can only express your internal bad feelings, nothing more. No one are capable of helping with crashes because this is a job for developers, so I'd recommend you to post all crashes to Support Request. In that case it would be at least positive thing and maybe we will have fixes faster. Also you will help others by doing so. OK I understand what you mean. Posting this here was an expression of my frustration trying to work a weekend, without bringing my project significantly forward. Due to constant crashes .. However, since the first vesionen of professional been in regular contact with Siemens but still I find the same bugs .... Sorry for that.
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6/19/2012 8:29 PM	Rate (0)
0_Einstein Diamond Expert Joined: 7/7/2010 Last visit: 11/27/2024 Posts: 15441 Rating: (2452)	Mr Lindh Darius Mr Lindh I will start to post crashes here..... Well posting crashes here can only express your internal bad feelings, nothing more. No one are capable of helping with crashes because this is a job for developers, so I'd recommend you to post all crashes to Support Request. In that case it would be at least positive thing and maybe we will have fixes faster. Also you will help others by doing so. OK I understand what you mean. Posting this here was an expression of my frustration trying to work a weekend, without bringing my project significantly forward. Due to constant crashes .. However, since the first vesionen of professional been in regular contact with Siemens but still I find the same bugs .... Sorry for that. I have several FBs/FCs that call other FBs/FCs, which in turn call more. I have one FC that no matter how I get it to run, it crashes unless I do not call one specific FC. I comment out the FC and it does not crash. I cannot make even comment and extra line spacing and recompile this same FC without crashing. Any FC calling it crashes, sometimes just attempting to open the FC causes it to crash as the scl editor attempts to reconcile all the references. My suggestion is to comment out stuff and get to compile cleanly, and consistently. Then reboot the system (each crash uses memory and causes future problems). Now that you can compile, you can find out one piece ata time what might cause the crash, then find a different way to solve that problem that does not crash. For example, in my case, if I put the FC code that always causes a crash into the routine that wants to call it, then compile, no crash. Solves the same problem, just not as easily, but I can compile and download, which to me is more important that screenshots. Send the project off to the support request folks and continue working on it until it compiles clean and solves all the problems properly. Yes, it is very frustrating to debug Siemens code while figuring out our own code too! We all here feel your pain. However, try to turn that anger into productivity and you may find your days feel shorter. instead of this and
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