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Integration with Profinet

Created by: Urantia at: 6/26/2012 8:10 PM (6 Replies)

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6/26/2012 8:10 PM	Rate (0)
Urantia Experienced Member Joined: 10/23/2009 Last visit: 2/25/2025 Posts: 115 Rating: (0)	Hi all, I need to integrate two diferents projects with PROFIsafe comunication both projects contain safety PLC. The communication protocol between them is, I-device on profinet. The question; there is any examplo o manual for get this goal?, Best Regards

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6/29/2012 9:17 AM	Rate (0)
Rated X Posts: 1547 Rating: (129)	Hello Aslp, which PLC have you installed here? I didn't get what exactly you want to know? Is Idevice configuration the issue here? Maybe this link will already help you (starting at page 96): http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/19292127
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7/3/2012 7:13 PM	Rate (0)
Urantia Experienced Member Joined: 10/23/2009 Last visit: 2/25/2025 Posts: 115 Rating: (0)	Hi x, which PLC have you installed here? The PLC´s, CPU 319F-3 PN/DP <--- Profinet ---> IM151-8F PN/DP CPU. I didn't get what exactly you want to know? Whether the security protocol "Profisafe" can be done with the settings "I-Device". Is Idevice configuration the issue here? Same answer previous. couldgive me some liks for get information about PROFISafe Thanks in advance. Greetings.

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7/4/2012 9:26 AM	Rate (0)
fritz Diamond Expert Joined: 10/7/2005 Last visit: 3/20/2025 Posts: 3042 Rating: (1061)	Hello Aslp yes you can do safety related communication between an I/O controller and I-device via Profinet. Have a look at chapter 9 in general and 9.4 in particular of theSIMATIC Industrial Software SIMATIC Safety - Configuring and Programming manual for more info on how to do so. Note that the above manualis written for TIA Portal Step 7 and that the same infois unfortunately missing from thecorresponding "classic" Step 7 related Distributed Safety - configuring and programming manual. This is most likley due to the fact that S7 PN I-Devices weren't aroundyet when the latter manual was last updated. I'd say it should work in the same way though if you use the "classic" Step 7, but you may to want check with Siemens to be sure (and ask them for a manual update too). I hops this helps
	Cheers fritz The advice and opinion given in this thread is that of the author and does not necessarily reflect the views of I S Systems Pty Limited. To find out how I S Systems can help you with your automation needs please visit www.issystems.com.au.
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7/5/2012 9:35 PM	Rate (0)
Urantia Experienced Member Joined: 10/23/2009 Last visit: 2/25/2025 Posts: 115 Rating: (0)	Hi x, first if all, I apreciate a lot your prompt response. Am I to understand that is necesary to programmed FB223 "F_SENDDP" and FB224 "F_RCVDP" in the main safety block for safety communication. We can have safety communication without having programmed these blocks. I mean have point to point, like the example. I-Controlled I-Device Q1000.0 <---- Profinet -----> I000.0 On the other hand, was revised two programs where have safety communication, but in one of them has programmed FB223 and FB224 (Controlled IM151-8F), and the another has programmed FB225 and FB226 (Controlled CPU 319F-3 PN/DP). Is correct make that? Thanks in advance!

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7/9/2012 8:59 AM	Rate (0)
fritz Diamond Expert Joined: 10/7/2005 Last visit: 3/20/2025 Posts: 3042 Rating: (1061)	Hello Aslp Aslp Am I to understand that is necesary to programmed FB223 "F_SENDDP" and FB224 "F_RCVDP" in the main safety block for safety communication. Yes, it is mandatory to use these for your Profinet I/O controller <-> I-device safety related data exchange. "F_SENDDP" and "F_RCVDP" add and handle the required timeout mechanism and safety related checks to the communication to create the profisafe message. Note that you configure 12 Bytes of Inputs and 6 Bytes of Outputs each way, but only exchange 6 Bytes of real user data via it (16 Bools and 2 INT's), the rest is used for the Profisafe part). Aslp We can have safety communication without having programmed these blocks.! Sorry, no you can not. Aslp I mean have point to point, like the example. I-Controlled I-Device Q1000.0 <---- Profinet -----> I000.0 It will not work that way (at least not as a safety related message, see above for more). Aslp On the other hand, was revised two programs where have safety communication, but in one of them has programmed FB223 and FB224 (Controlled IM151-8F), and the another has programmed FB225 and FB226 (Controlled CPU 319F-3 PN/DP). Is correct make that? Idoubt that that is correct, where did you get that example from? FB225 and FB226 ("F_SENDS7" and "F_RCVS7") are used for safety related data exchange via a configured S7 connection. In your case it is Profinet I/O based and you would use FB223 and FB224 ("F_SENDDP" and "F_RCVDP") in both CPU's. I hope this helps
	Cheers fritz The advice and opinion given in this thread is that of the author and does not necessarily reflect the views of I S Systems Pty Limited. To find out how I S Systems can help you with your automation needs please visit www.issystems.com.au.
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7/9/2012 4:50 PM	Rate (0)
Urantia Experienced Member Joined: 10/23/2009 Last visit: 2/25/2025 Posts: 115 Rating: (0)	Thanks a lot for the answers. The example is taken from a project that consists of two modules each module was made by two companies difrente name. These two modules were integrated into one. As a requirement of the project must have safety communication. They do it of the way that I mention above (one module programing FB225 and FB226, the second programing FB223 and FB224). Thanks again for the responses has been valuable. Best regrads!

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