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Operator input message

Created by: bugmenot at: 1/19/2009 2:11 PM (22 Replies)

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1/19/2009 2:11 PM	Rate (1)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi. I know this has been discussed before, but in all of those threads I only found a link to another thread that has been deleted. I want to log user actions (change in Setpoint, PID-values, button clicks, etc.) I about the "Operator Input Message" option and it works like a charm, BUT what is the point of an eventlog if you can not see what has been changed? As it is now it logs Date, Time, Username, Old and New process value, but it says nothing about what tag has been changed or from where (what picture) it has been changed. How can this be done without "WinCC Open Development Kit (ODK)"?
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1/19/2009 2:57 PM	Rate (1)
April Posts: 1776 Rating: (95)	Hi, have you seen this FAQ http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/24325381
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1/19/2009 3:09 PM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi. Thanks for the reply. I allready have looked at that FAQ, but unfortunately it says this: "This entry shows how to use the WinCC option "WinCC Open Development Kit" (ODK) to generate a user-defined operator input message." and that option is not an option as it is not free Is it possible to create a "User text block" with the objectname and tag and get that text block to be placed in the eventlog along with the output from "Operator input message"? If so, how do I place text in a textblock with C-scripts?
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1/19/2009 8:53 PM	Rate (2)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	I always do it like this. In Alarmloggin place a "@1%s" to "@5%s" in the textblocks you want to create your tags in. Then use the following script to create a operator message. Hope this works for you!!: There are some projectspecific things in it, but you should make it work with this script. ps. You pay for the knowledge of theODK (sohow to do things), you do not have to pay anything if you can figure it out yourself. Or ask someone else. void CreateOpMessage2() { #pragma code ("Kernel32.DLL"); BOOL GetLocalTime(SYSTEMTIME* stTime); #pragma code(); #include "M_GLOBAL.H" #include "msrtapi.h" #include "apdefap.h" static DWORD l_svID = 0; //Connection ID to Alarmlogging CMN_ERROR g_sErr; LPCMN_ERROR pError = &g_sErr; BOOL fRet = TRUE; DWORD dwBufSize; DWORD dwVarID=0; // Tag-ID set to 0 MSG_RTCREATE_STRUCT MsgCreate; MSG_COMMENT_STRUCT MsgComment; SYSTEMTIME stTime; char pszPrefix[255]; char UserLevel[255]; int ValueOld, ValueNew; GetLocalTime( &stTime ); // Get time/date MsgCreate.dwMsgNr = 1; // Operator Message Number MsgCreate.stMsgTime = stTime; MsgCreate.dwMsgState = MSG_STATE_COME; // state "COME" MsgCreate.wTextValueUsed=0x1F; // 5 text are used 11111=1F strcpy(MsgCreate.mtTextValue[0].szText,"Text1"); strcpy(MsgCreate.mtTextValue[1].szText,"Text2"); strcpy(MsgCreate.mtTextValue[2].szText,"Text3"); strcpy(MsgCreate.mtTextValue[3].szText,"Text4"); strcpy(MsgCreate.mtTextValue[4].szText,"Text5"); do { if( l_svID==0) { // GetServerPrefix to determine MC or Server strcpy(pszPrefix, GetPropChar("@1001", "@Desk", "ServerPrefix")); if (pszPrefix ==NULL ) { //printf("Serverapplication or Single Client\r\n"); fRet= MSRTStartMsgService( &l_svID, NULL, NULL, 0, NULL, pError ); // activate service } else { //printf("MultiClient with Prefix : %s\r\n",pszPrefix);//Return - Type :char fRet= MSRTStartMsgServiceMC( &l_svID, NULL, NULL, 0, NULL,pszPrefix, pError ); // activate service } if(!fRet)//not started break; //printf( "Alarm Connected %d \r\n", l_svID ); //Started } fRet = MSRTCreateMsg( l_svID, &MsgCreate, pError ) ; // create message // Create comment if(fRet == FALSE ) printf("MSRTCreateMsg_Error %s \r\n",pError->szErrorText); else MSRTSetComment( l_svID, &MsgComment, pError ); break; } while(TRUE); fRet=MSRTStopMsgService(l_svID,pError); // cancel service if (fRet==TRUE) l_svID=0; }

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1/21/2009 9:22 AM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi. Thanks for the code! I am quite new to programming in text so I'll need some guidelines I suppose I do not need the last part of the code (the "do" part)!? I have applied the code in a global script, but I dont know how to start the script from a button, IOField etc. Nor do I get how I can spesify what text is supposed to be in what textbox? :-S
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1/21/2009 1:20 PM	Rate (0)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	Hi Bugmenot, What WinCC version do you use? If you tell me I will make you a demo project (it is also usefull for our engineering department so not only for you). I do not have much time. Maybe it will there next week. If that is soon enough. Good luck, Jaap

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1/21/2009 1:53 PM	Rate (1)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi again Jaapie! Thanks!! I am using v7.0. Next week will be fine bugmenot
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1/21/2009 10:03 PM	Rate (4)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	Hi bugmenot, I have created a PCS7 V7SP1 WinCC project for you, but you can open it with you version 7. The only thing is that I can not post it here. It is to big. So post only the two things you need. 1-The global script (put it in WinCCProjectName\Library) open global script and compile all headers and open the script and compile it. It should show 0-errors. 2-The Testpicture with two buttons and an alarm ocx on it. In alarmlogging you have to configure like earlier discribed (with the @1%s@...in the textblocks) the 1 in this @1%s@ is the first text you will fill in. You must configure messaline 1 (can be changed within the script) So now you have everything to create operator messages. If you need the project I can send it a different way, let me know.... Good luck, Jaap Attachment Share.zip (763 Downloads)
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1/22/2009 2:56 PM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Thank you once again Jaapie! It works like a charm! But now I've got some new questions How can I add the old and the new value (when applying the script to an IOfield)? Is there a way to use "System blocks" instead of "User text blocks"? If there is it would be a much better way to display "User name" and "Tag". bugmenot
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1/23/2009 8:17 PM	Rate (1)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	Hi bugmenot, If I where you I would not try to use the systemblocks. It is possible but only with real ODK functions and hard c programming. Just use the user text block. That is why they are there. You can change the name of the text blocks so you can show them in alarmloggen just as if it was a system block. Try to figure writing the old and new value out your self. Ican do it for you but there are to much different ways to do it. And I do notknow your situation. just a tip: It is nice and easywhen you klick on the I/O field to show a pop-up window and evaluate the max en min of the value if the new value isin between(the OK button is enabled) and the operatorklicks the OK button the new valuecan be written inalarmlogging. If you save the old value you can alsowrite it in the message. You then first have to make a string out of it like: sprintf("OLD=%d NEW=%d", dOLD, dNEW); But as I said there is a lot to be learn. Maybe wecan organize a workshop "makingtypicals" I would be glad to teach a few . Good luck, Have a nice weekend, Jaap if you realy do not know how to handle it please let us know, maybee I can find some time to make an example next week.

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1/26/2009 9:47 AM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Jaapie just a tip: It is nice and easywhen you klick on the I/O field to show a pop-up window and evaluate the max en min of the value if the new value isin between(the OK button is enabled) and the operatorklicks the OK button the new valuecan be written inalarmlogging. If you save the old value you can alsowrite it in the message. You then first have to make a string out of it like: sprintf("OLD=%d NEW=%d", dOLD, dNEW); I'll keep that in mind for the next project, but for this one I only want a IOfield and type directly into it and transfer the old and new value to the operator input message. What I don't get is how to get the old value? Whatever I do with the GetTag command I only get the new value. Is there like a GetTagOld command or what? Jaapie But as I said there is a lot to be learn. Maybe wecan organize a workshop "makingtypicals" I would be glad to teach a few . Ha-ha It would definitely save new users a lot of time!
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1/26/2009 9:13 PM	Rate (1)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	Hi bugmenot, I amsorry you have to find some space to store your old value and the best thing is to make a customized object of your I/O field with aditional parameters to store your old value. Only a plain I/O field does not do the job. The customer can look for the old value in alarmlogging . BUT I triedto make it work! This example is the only thing I can think of. I use the ToolTipText for saving the old value. The dataformats are a little bit mixed, but it works. Jaap Attachment TestPicture.zip (508 Downloads)

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1/27/2009 9:52 AM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Thank you once again! Last night I got an idéa of how I could solve this. But I suppose I would have got stuck before I had finished it because I would have needed a internal tag for each IOfield... I noticed that you had to click the IOfield everytime before entering a new value and if you did not it would not display a correct OLD-value. Fixed by removing the onclick event and move it to the bottom of the other script. [edit]after some more testing I found it best to use both...[/edit] Commavalues get a bit strange (2,2 becomes 2,199999 etc.). And after changing the setpoint some times the Operator Message gets delayed so that it does no longer display the current change, but the previous [code] char sValue[255]; char sValueOLD[255]; float dValueNEW; strcpy(sValueOLD, GetPropChar(lpszPictureName,lpszObjectName,"ToolTipText")); dValueNEW = GetTagFloat("TEST"); sprintf(sValue, "OLD=%s NEW=%f", sValueOLD, dValueNEW); CreateOpMessage("HJKFLT_OP244", "Setpoint",sValue); SetPropDouble(lpszPictureName,lpszObjectName,"ToolTipText", dValueNEW); [/code]
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/27/2009 10:49 AM Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/27/2009 10:37 AM Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/27/2009 9:57 AM
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1/27/2009 2:22 PM	Rate (1)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Aaah Finally got everything working! It updates when it is supposed to, username is put where it is supposed to be, comma-values are no longer weird etc. I now use a mix of Jaapies example and the example provided by April (http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/24325381). I have attached a example page and the modified version of the global script provided in Aprils example. Attachment TestPicture2.zip (466 Downloads)
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1/28/2009 9:12 AM	Rate (1)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi again guys! Sorry to bother you again, but it seems like I still have a problem with the operator message. ~~Everything works perfect when used outside picturewindows, but when put inside picturewindows the new/old values is delayed by one step.~~ Everything works perfect with internal tags! With real values from a PLC the operator message is delayed. See example Example: The value of the IO field is "1" I write "2" in the IOfield and the OP(Operator Message) displays: NEW: 1 OLD: 1 I write "3" in the IOfield and the OP displays: NEW: 2 OLD: 1 Then I write "4" in the IOfield and the OP displays: NEW: 3 OLD: 2 Why is that? :S How may I fix it or go around this error? bugmenot
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/28/2009 1:48 PM I was wrong about the whole picturewindow thing. It was the fact that I used a real tag that made the difference. PS still need help! Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/28/2009 9:13 AM typo
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1/28/2009 3:15 PM	Rate (0)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	Yes you have timing problems with requesting the value of the tags. You should do it like I have told you (whith the tooltip) it's a good way I think! Good luck, Jaap

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1/28/2009 3:36 PM	Rate (1)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Jaapie Yes you have timing problems with requesting the value of the tags. You should do it like I have told you (whith the tooltip) it's a good way I think! Good luck, Jaap I am, but that do not help! By changing the TEST-tag (internal tag) that you made into a external tag things get delayed. If you have a PLC avaliable you should be able to test it to see what I mean. Anyway I found sort of a workaround. Using the integrated operator input message and the one in my previous post. This makes a two line operator input message, but at least it works properly. bugmenot Attachment bugmenot - Operator input message.zip (459 Downloads)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Last edited by: bugmenot at: 1/29/2009 8:31 AM uploaded example added/changed some text
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2/17/2009 6:09 PM	Rate (0)
spaccabbomm Posts: 33 Rating: (0)	Hi, all i tried this solution and it works fine on server, but doesnt work on client. MSRTStartMsgService( &dwServiceID, NULL, NULL, (DWORD)0, NULL, NULL); if (bOK == FALSE){ printf("#E101: ISALG_OperationLog() - Unable to start message service!"); unable to start service on client... any help?
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2/19/2009 7:53 AM	Rate (0)
bugmenot Posts: 31 Rating: (6)	Hi spaccabbomm. I do not have any experience with server/client solutions, but I might have removed some lines that had to do with server/client in the global script. Have you tried the original Global Script from here: http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/24325381 ? If that works you probably have to edit it a little to show only what you want in the event log Good luck! bugmenot
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Mbalon Posts: 1 Rating: (0)	Hi Gents, I got request from customer to create operator text entry fieldwhich allows also to record (log) actions. I think everything what you have discussed in this topic suits for that. However i got different problem//when i am trying use yours function on client- server configuration(PCS7 70SP1)new project function for example CreateOpMessage is unresolved (Im usig script diag tool which shows ''unresolved external function''). I have tested this on standalone WinCC 7.0 and worked. I know that PCS7 and pure WinCC work a little different way but Jaapie has mentioned thatHe created his function in PCS7. Any ideas where is a problem. TIA. Cheers
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5/25/2010 7:10 AM	Rate (0)
Jaapie Gold Member Joined: 1/17/2006 Last visit: 10/27/2023 Posts: 799 Rating: (63)	It could be that I copied the "CreateOpMessage" from normal WinCC to PCS7. If you can make it work on a standalone machine you have to make it work on others also.

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Snowman_1 Posts: 12 Rating: (1)	Hi Can you explain in more details the configure of the text blocks mention in your reply "place a "@1%s" to "@5%s" in the textblocks you want to create your tags in." regards,
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Min_Moderator Platinum Member Joined: 9/3/2014 Last visit: 3/13/2019 Posts: 4782 Rating: (123)	New question published by jitender singh is split to a separate thread with the subject How can i log comment along with old and new value in the alarm 12508141 using script?. Best regards Min_Moderator

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