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Created by: JanJasek at: 9/6/2014 7:52 PM (8 Replies)

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9/6/2014 7:52 PM	Rate (1)
JanJasek Advanced Member Joined: 9/28/2010 Last visit: 11/27/2024 Posts: 43 Rating: (8)	I'm working on WinCC V13 project for Comfort Panel TP1200 with two runtime languages. I know where to write all screen texts in both languages, but how do I localize the Screen name shown in Overview section in every screen? There is VBS script TitleUpdater created by WinCC new project wizard, that reads the project screen name and writes it where needed. Dim title Set title = HmiRuntime.Screens(0).ScreenItems("Screen title") title.Text = HmiRuntime.BaseScreenName But I see no way how this can work for both runtime languages (Am I missing some way how to localize the screen name)? Of course I can create very cumbersome and long construction like: If HmiRuntime.BaseScreenName = "Main menu" And MyLanguageTag = 1 Then title.Text = "Hauptmenu" .... But I guess this is not the proper way. Any Ideas? Thank you.

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9/6/2014 8:15 PM	Rate (0)
William_B Posts: 5225 Rating: (1198)	Hi there. (I will probably not be the one providing an answer, but..) I am not fully following your statement: "but how do I localize the Screen name shown in Overview section in every screen" Please could you provide a screen capture to show us what precisely you mean? Maybe you are refering to.. 1> internal screen names, or 2> heading text of each page when using the panel creation wizzard, or 3> something else If it is 2, then the answer is in the text lists. Hoping for your feedback. Greetings. w
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9/6/2014 9:06 PM	Rate (0)
JanJasek Advanced Member Joined: 9/28/2010 Last visit: 11/27/2024 Posts: 43 Rating: (8)	It's #2 - at least I think we mean the same. Heading on top of every screen where operator can see some text with screen name. Thanks for advice with text list. Text list can surely be easily localized. but... The text list must have some "process tag" and the tag must be linked to screen number. Here it seems that only way how to get screen number to script variable is read it from PLC (and the PLC must read it from HMI device area pointer). I don't have the physical HW (PLC+TP1200) here, so I cannot test it. And I'm not sure if it will work correctly. When the screen is changed in HMI, the TitleUpdater script is triggered. Also the new screen number is transfered to PLC via area pointer. And then the screen number is transfered back to HMI via Tag (Am I wrong here?). So the it takes some time for the new screen number to get to my HMI Tag. Can I be absolutely sure, that the TitleUpdater script will always use the screen number of the new screen and not the old number of the previous screen (before the screen change)? Even when there is heavy communication load on the PLC-HMI bus? I guess this cannot be reliable. Yes, then there is this way - have all screen names starting with screen number (like 01_Main menu). That would surely work, but I'm afraid of some future inconsitency in the screen numbers. I mean that the screen name prefix number and the "genuine" screen number can be different - And it will surely happen after few future project modifications by some other programmer.

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9/6/2014 10:02 PM	Rate (0)
William_B Posts: 5225 Rating: (1198)	JanJasek It's #2 - at least I think we mean the same. Heading on top of every screen where operator can see some text with screen name. Thanks for advice with text list. Text list can surely be easily localized. but... The text list must have some "process tag" and the tag must be linked to screen number. Hi there, The portion I quoted is the portion I have read (sorry). You loose me in the detail that follow. I think you are trying to handle this a bit more complicated than it needs to be. When you use the starting wizard, the software creates an internal variable that represents the ~~screen~~ page number (my word for screen >> page). Each page also is inserted a "set variable value to.." instruction on the opening of the page. The software inserts the number of the page into this instruction for each page that you created with the wizard. The wizard also creates a text list. The name of the page you created inside the wizzard, is the name that will be seen in the text list. If you use temporary names for the pages, those will be seen in the text list. The actual numbers of the pages (screens) will be created in the order that you created the links in the wizard. If you create a new page you will have to manually insert the instruction to give the internal variable the right number and you have to insert an entry on the text list. I recommend you create a new simplified project and explore what is created where by the wizard. Helpful? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BONUS NOTES In our company I have a set rule on what the page number format should be and how the page headings should look like. That means we have to modify.. 1] Page numbers as in the parameter definition of the page 2] Change the number inserted into the internal variable 3] Modify descriptions and numbers in the text list. [3] can be exported, modified and re-imported.. but TIA11 gave us problems. But we found an application ("TinyTask") that records you mouse/keyboard actions and can be used to repeat functions. Typically we create a spreadsheet with what we need to have things changed to and then use recorded steps to modify to what we need done. Greetings. w
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9/7/2014 7:52 AM	Rate (0)
JanJasek Advanced Member Joined: 9/28/2010 Last visit: 11/27/2024 Posts: 43 Rating: (8)	Thank you for your reply William B. When you use the starting wizard, the software creates an internal variable that represents the ~~screen~~ page number (my word for screen >> page). Each page also is inserted a "set variable value to.." instruction on the opening of the page. The software inserts the number of the page into this instruction for each page that you created with the wizard. The wizard also creates a text list. The name of the page you created inside the wizzard, is the name that will be seen in the text list. If you use temporary names for the pages, those will be seen in the text list. The actual numbers of the pages (screens) will be created in the order that you created the links in the wizard. What is the name of the page number variable? I see none such variable in HMI Tags -> Show All Tags. The same goes with any text list - there is none created by the wizard. I also see no Loaded events on wizard created screens, that sets any variable. Screens created by wizard call script "TitleUpdater" (I've pasted the script in my first post). And the heading/title text is simple text field - no text list. This goes for ANY project I've created in WinCC V11 or V13 for any Comfort Panel. Even this bilingual project was started as new project created by wizard. Right now I even tried to FIRST set two project languages and THEN start the HMI wizard - but the result is the same. I can create the text list myself - I'm just curious, that you mention it, as wizard-created. I'm generaly trying to evade such solutions, that need updating the Loaded event of every single screen, but is seems here it will be necessary. Thank you again for you post, it was helpful.

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9/7/2014 9:12 AM	Rate (0)
William_B Posts: 5225 Rating: (1198)	JanJasek Thank you for your reply --- Thank you again for you post, it was helpful. Jan Jasek, I have hoped to help you resolve your issue. But from my side there is one assumption I did not mention.. my software is not licensed for COMFORT panels, only BASIC. My notes were based on the BASIC panels. (sorry) Maybe.. create a BASIC panel project using all the functions of the wizard. See how does that panel handle the page headings. Maybe this can be useful to you. From your descriptions it seems as though BASIC panels are easier to translate to other languages.. Cheers. w
William_B Posts: 5225 Rating: (1198)
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9/7/2014 7:50 PM	Rate (1)
JanJasek Advanced Member Joined: 9/28/2010 Last visit: 11/27/2024 Posts: 43 Rating: (8)	Well, I've tested it and it's true. The wizard creates completely different solution for showing screen title/headline for different model lines (BASIC vs COMFORT). So I'll just summarize it - just in case. COMFORT Panels wizard: Heading is text field and it is updated via VBS script "TitleUpdater". No tag for screen number and no text list is used. BASIC Panels wizard: Heading is text list and it is updated via tag "Tag_ScreenNumber". No VBS script is used. Thank you again for your time.

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9/8/2014 9:18 AM	Rate (0)
K!ke Posts: 1299 Rating: (136)	Hello, with the comfort panel you can choose which solution should be used. On the page "Screen layout" in section "Header" you can choose between Screen title and Navigation field". K!ke
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6/18/2018 1:34 PM	Rate (0)
Vippi Experienced Member Joined: 9/24/2008 Last visit: 10/7/2024 Posts: 106 Rating: (4)	So if I use multilanguage project I must use the text list and NOT the script, true? It's bad news, script is more performing: if you modify page title you must update text list too. Using script this happens automatically...

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