5/21/2015 10:24 AM | |
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Hello G_R_E_Y, better aske that in HMI conferences ->WINCC -> https://support.industry.siemens.com/tf/ww/en/threads/163/?page=0&pageSize=10 kind regards |
5/22/2015 12:13 AM | |
Joined: 9/27/2006 Last visit: 9/21/2024 Posts: 12282 Rating: (2684) |
Hello Grey; There is no Omron Host Link driver in the newer versions of WinCC. There is not even a driver that allows WinCC to connect to an RS-232 COM port. I would suggest that you think about using a Gateway between your Omron units and the WinCC PC, for example this one can transfer Omron Host link (RS-232) to Profibus-DP, which can be read from WinCC (if your computer has a communication processor that can handle it; see the WinCC help files for an adequate processor): http://www.renuelectronics.com/pdfs/letter/gwy-500.pdf And there are many discussions on the Omron sites about Profinet. Try asking your Omron rep if they have some king of Gateway for your PLCs to Profinet. They might also suggest some maker of OPC server that could help you out. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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5/23/2015 7:33 AM | |
Joined: 5/26/2011 Last visit: 8/5/2024 Posts: 456 Rating: (7) |
Good day sir Chartier! If found every response from you really helpful always, I'm glad you could also help me on this. Now, some follow up questions: 1) Are you really sure there's no more of that Omron RS-232 driver on WinCC v7 onwards? Do you have official links or anything that discussed this? 2) If I would use that RS-232 to Profibus converter and would install a Profibus CP to the WinCC PC, then the driver on the WinCC tag management would now be Profibus? Where do you think I could find this then? Do you think there would also be changes to be done on the Omron PLC side for this? 3) There's actually another old communication that has to be replaced/upgraded together with this Omron, namely, S5 CPUs which uses CP1430 and connected to WinCC station's CP1413. I seems we have to replace CP1413 by CP1613 for the new WinCC station and so there would definitely be some software/setting modifications that would follow. I have also some inquiries about this, please also check this related threads of mine: https://support.industry.siemens.com/tf/ww/en/posts/cp1413-by-wincc-v4-on-windows-nt-to-be-replaced-by-cp1613a2-by-wincc-v7-on-windows7/126957/?page=0&pageSize=10 4) Also do you think I could smoothly open/migrate the WinCC v4 project to the newer one, say v7? I read some that the only way is to do it is to first migrate to v5, then to v6 and finally to v7, is that really the only way? Would there be another tool/software needed for this or just all those versions of WinCC softwares (suppose I already have the WinCCv4 project, I only have to have the WinCC v5, v6 and v7 softwares )? Would I also need license/s? https://support.industry.siemens.com/tf/ww/en/posts/backup-wincc-for-an-old-s5-wincc-system/126908/?page=0&pageSize=10 Thank you very much for any further response! |
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5/23/2015 2:46 PM | |
Joined: 9/27/2006 Last visit: 9/21/2024 Posts: 12282 Rating: (2684) |
Hello Grey; Many questions in a single post... Let.s see what we can find out. 1) Look into the WinCC v. 7.3 Communications manual, and look at what you can find concerning Omron Host Link channel; if it is not mentioned, there is no such interface in this version of WinCC. WinCC V7.3: Communication (Use the Dowload link to open the manual) 2) Even if you have a RS-232 to Profibus converter, you still do not have a protocol gateway between the Omron and the WinCC Profibus channel.This is whyI mentioned gateways earlier, they translate the electrical signals between the partners and adapt the data structure for both communication protocols; it is not simply a matter of changing the electrical standards of the signals. In any case, to implement a Profibus channel in WinCC you will still need to install al Profibus communication processor in the SCADA PC, see the S7 Protocol suite chapter in the manual above. 3) Check out the S5 Ethernet Layer 4 chapter in the manual above. You should decide if you want to use ISO Transport or TCP/IP (depending on the type of CP 1430 you have in your S5 rack), and study the chapter to see what would be required. If you choose that alternative I suggest you start a new thread to find help from S5 specialists here on the forum, so they can offer advice and help. You should also locate threads, manuals and FAQs related to the WinCC S5 Ethernet channel on the forum, using the Search Box at the right of this page, to prepare yourself before you proceed. 4) Migration cannot be done directly from V. 4.x to V. 7.x of WinCC. Too many structural changes have been implemented between the versions, for example between v.5.2 and v. 6.0 a complete change of database engine was done, so the databnases between these verisions require a specific migration themselves. So please study this FAQ for all pertinent information on methods, licenses required and estimate the workload it might be simpler to re-program the SCADA in the newer version, using the modern tools available now in the newer version to redesign your screens, communications, alarms... How do you migrate WinCC projects to new versions of WinCC from V4 to V7? Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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5/24/2015 11:44 AM | |
Joined: 5/26/2011 Last visit: 8/5/2024 Posts: 456 Rating: (7) |
Hello sir Daniel Chartier, Thanks for responding to my cross-topic inquiries. 1) There's really no Omron on the Manual, but I'm also inclined to think that not all PLC supported are actually discussed on the manual. But yah, I also find it hard to search for that driver, though that's also the case even for v4. 2) So if I used RS-232 to Profibus converter the WinCC driver under tag management would now be Omron profibus? If RS-232 to Profinet, then Omron Profinet? Where do I actually get that driver (it seems there's nothing like that, no Omron at all, preexisting on the "add drivers" .chn files)? 3) The S5 CP is Sinec 1430TF which I think I've read is ISO protocol. But since it's already an old running system, both CPs are already configured and running, and I just have to replace the old WinCC station with new one which I think could be viewed as just replacing the PC CP1413 with CP1613, I think there shouldn't be anything to be modified on the S5 side, only to the PC side for the CP replacement? 4) I think the most important link on the WinCC V4 to V7 migration link you give (supposed to be the complete guide PDF for that task) is not working. I find something like it on other site (http://www.scribd.com/doc/204182708/WinCC-Upgrade-V4-V7-en-pdf#scribd) though I wouldn't be able to download or even just view entire content unless I pay and I'm not even sure if it's actually official (I'm thinking there must be a reason why the link isn't working anymore). Do you have other link for that particular guide (though I found another guide for the task but not as compiled as that one: https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/22020734/how-do-you-migrate-wincc-v4x-projects-to-wincc-v6x-and-wincc-v7x?dti=0&lc=en-WW)? Thanks much! |
5/24/2015 1:35 PM | |
Joined: 9/27/2006 Last visit: 9/21/2024 Posts: 12282 Rating: (2684) |
Hello Grey; The link I provided works well for me, in IE Explorer 11. See the attachment below. Other links to the same manual that are located in other threads on the Siemens forum (found by doing a Google search) also allow me to open the link. What browser are you using? The pdf manual that is part of this link to document ID: 44029132 is 8M long and cannot be attached directly to a post. Maybe the moderators can provide help. Or you could copy the http link into your browser and try loading it directly: https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/44029132?dti=0&lc=en-WW Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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5/24/2015 2:13 PM | |
Joined: 5/26/2011 Last visit: 8/5/2024 Posts: 456 Rating: (7) |
Hello, Sorry I wasn't clear, what I mean is the link within that link that says "Documentation for Migration V4 to V7.0 (799.2 KB)" How about my followup inquiries 2 & 3? Thanks! |
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