8/16/2017 6:39 PM | |
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Hi, I will need to execute a partial migration. The entire PLC and IO system will be migrated from S5-115 and ET200U to S7-1500 and ET200SP. In the first step of the migration the remote IOS will not be touched. I was wondering if there is a procedure to migrate the code without retesting all the IO's. Is it possible to import the existing S5 Profibus data into TIA Portal and use IE/PB link? I mean using something like Network Gateway IE/PB Link PN IO for Industrial Ethernet / Manual Part BL1. I have a lot of IO's and I will only have 4 hours stop time to do one step of the migration. Is COM Profibus an option? Anyone tried that before? |
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8/16/2017 7:24 PM | |
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Hello MicroMan; The uploading of the S5 Profibus configuration will always require COM Profibus, and the ease with which you cn use the data in your project will depend on the type of Profibus master you have in your S5 rack. See the attachment below: This was taken from the following manual: https://cache.industry.siemens.com/dl/files/610/1498610/att_49462/v1/COMPB_e.pdf Notice you can Import the data directly in COM Profibus from a IM 308C, or from the EEPROM loaded in the IM 308C, if there is one. Exporting to a Profibus-DP master configuration could be another matter, though, I have not resolved this yet. Remember that COM Profibus is hard to find these days, you should at least try your nearest Siemens rep and enquire. And it canno be installed under XP, i believe Windows 2000 was the latest OS that supported it. Acttually, for a first step, you should describe in detail what elements of a Profibus network you actually have in your S5 system. A IM 308C is a Profibus-DP master, so it can easily be used as a DP slave y another master; a IM 308B is a Sinec L2 master, slighty different from Profibus, and that can cause some problems in your project; a IM 308A is a Sinec L1 master and controls a ET 100U network, which cannot be used further in a Profibus master. If all your components can be brought up to Profibus-DP configuration (printed out from a COM Profibus Import), then you could simply use the ET 200U network as is for the first phase of the project, re-creating it in the Profibus-DP master of the S7-1500 you will use. Could be a lot of work, but it would be worth it. You can locate the correct gsd file in the following link. This would allow you to test the migrated logic in the S7-1500 without having to be take precautions with the ET 200U hardware. Migrating hardware will always cause some problems, as the technical data of each new module may be different in range or resolution from the original S5 I/Os. You could look after that part of the project at your next shutdown. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier Edit: COM Profibus v5.1 is, surprisingly, still listed in the Siemens Industry Mall (Electronic catalog): https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/us/Catalog/Product/6ES58956SE03 The datasheet attached is dated "lat modified: 08/12/2017"; so even in phase-out it seems to be available from Siemens. You should try to contact a Siemens rep. and check out the pricing, base don the part number. D.C. |
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8/17/2017 3:01 PM | |
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Hello Microman; Have a look at this document; it might provide the information you are looking for: Guide for migrating S5 projects to S7-1500 and TIA Portal Note that to implement Siemens' migration strategy you must follow 2 distinct procedures: you need a Step 7 classic license (for migtration of the S5 project to Step 7 v5.5) and a TIA Portal license to migrate the S7 project to TIA Portal. Below you will find information on the symbol table migration. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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8/21/2017 6:45 PM | |
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Hello Microman; What does your ET 200U head module look like? Is it a IM 318C? In that case build a similar ET 200U slave using the gsd file corresponding to your model: PROFIBUS GSD files : SIMATIC - ID: 113652 - Industry Support SiemensAnd here is the link to the gsd files for your Et 200B units: PROFIBUS GSD files : ET 200B - ID: 113304 - Industry Support SiemensNormally you should be able to connect and disconnect the DP-masters on the S5 and the S7-1500 with just a few seconds of startup time, if the configurations match. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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8/23/2017 4:28 PM | |
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Hello MicroMan; Unfortunately I find it difficult to locate information on a IM 318C system, most existing documents refer to IM 318B (Sinec L2 master). ET 200U Distributed I/O Station But there is still informtion on Sinec L2 setups for a S5-95U as DP master; you can find startup information for the Sinec L2, attached below. SINEC L2 Interface of the S5-95U Programmable…The main difference is that with the S5 CPU the Sinec L2 (profibus) network configuration is loaded inside DB1, which is read and validated when changing the CPU mode to RUN; in a IM 318C this would be loaded in the EEPROM inserted in the module. If it comes back consistent, then the communication data is sent to all slaves and data exhanges can start. This is a similar procedure as is defined in S7 Profibus masters. Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier |
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