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Also need your servo motor information. and if better what is the control system? CNC or PLC
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11/30/2018 10:56 PM | |
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The machine is a Deckel Maho DMU80P CNC machining center, which is to be retrofitted with MS-Tech CNC control, which can be found by searching "MS-Tech CNC". 6SN1123-1AA00-0CA1 is 1-axis drive max 50A, connected to a 3-phase AC servo motor with a Siemens P/N: 1FT6086-1AF71-1AM1, and Encode I-2048. The Spec on motor's tag: Mo 27Nm 16.4A; Mn 18.5 Nm 13A, Max 3000 rpm. 6SN1123-1AB00-0CA1 is a 2-axis drive max 50A for each channel, connected with two motors that are the same as above. 6SN1123-1AB00-0BA1 is a 2-axis drive max 25A for each channel, connected with one AC servo motor with a Siemens P/N: 1FT6062-6AF71-3AA2, and Encode I-2048. The Spec on machine wire diagram is: Mn 9.5 Nm 6A, 3000 rpm. 6SN1123-1AA00-0LA1 is a 1-axis drive max 108A. connected to the machine's AC spindle motor. The motor's spec from machine wire diagram is: Mn 86Nm 54A, 11,000 rpm. For the last two motors, their tags are not available, because guards on machine could not be removed before machine axes are movable. Again, I need the part numbers of the plug-in analog interface cards. Thank you for your attention |
12/1/2018 7:04 AM | |
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You may use 6SN1118-0AA11-0AAX user freindly interface or 6SN1123-0AD11-0AAX control card to interface analog set point & incremental enoder.
For this module you may use 6SN1118-0AE11-0AAx control card.
For this module you may use 6SN1118-0AE11-0AAx
User need to check spindle motor details & encoder details in order to select control module. If encoder is TTL type you may select 6SN1121-0BA12-0AA0 To suggest you perfect control card for spindle please provide complete motor name plate details & type of motor used, encoder system intercafed i.e. motor encoder or direct encoder mounted on spindle shaft. etc. etc. BTW, the power modules & control modules of this 611 drive system are old ones & this product is discontinued by SIEMENS in 2014. You may get the control modules in open market but for long terms perspective it will be difficult & costly in maintenence point of view.
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12/2/2018 7:14 PM | |
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Thanks for the help and attention from all the professionals who replied/answered to my questions! The spindle motor is of Siemens brand with P/N 1PH2095-6WF41, and comes with feedback device of Measuring head: WG04 A-05 1-200325/015T05, Mn=95Nm, In=45A, Rn=1100/min, P=10KW. (This is based on the part list and wiring diagrams of the machine. I cannot access the motor nameplate before servo axes can be moved. I do not know if the feedback signals are TTL or not). 1) Please suggest the P/N of the analog interface card for the drive (and, if possible, let me know if feedback is TTL). 2) Additionally, please help on the pin-out (pin definitions) of all the connectors on the analog interface cards for making correct connections. Thank you very much! |
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12/3/2018 6:29 AM | |
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Siemens 1PH2 motor are in built in motors for direct drive. Motor encoder feedback is hollow shaft type & is not included in motor supply as such you need to check the mounted encoder type & details, so that appropriate control interface card can be selected. HTH |
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12/3/2018 6:36 AM | |
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1PH2 built-in motors |
12/3/2018 7:31 AM | |
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You cannot use 611A control card for 1FT6--motors !! Cannot use 6SN1118-0AA11-0AAX or 6SN1118-0AE11-0AAX From information you provided --you have most 1FT6-- motor, I think you need to use SIMODRIVE 611U CONTROL CRADs also even I am not sure your motor encoders type, but most of 1FT6- motors attached SIN/COS encoders 2048 P/rev. 611U is also good for your 1PH2 motor, you can set up with or w/o encoder ( if with encoder, you need attaching sin/cos encoder to spindle motor, and very easy to couple , no alignment need) 1FT6-- motor can be used for 611D or 611U, but for 611D you need to use CNC 840D power line in your case -I think you want to keep you old CNC system. so you must use 611U parts# 6SN1118-xNHxx-0AAx, x=0, or 1 any as 611U is discontinued you can search from market to get new or good refurbished 611u can interface to analog cnc output for your axis motor or spindle motor I will attached start-up manual for you later , you also need SIMO COM U SOFTWARE to start up 611U
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Last edited by: nulizhang at: 12/3/2018 7:38:32 AMCannot use 611A control in your case Last edited by: nulizhang at: 12/3/2018 7:41:07 AMLast edited by: nulizhang at: 12/3/2018 7:44:39 AMLast edited by: nulizhang at: 12/3/2018 7:46:49 AMLast edited by: nulizhang at: 12/3/2018 7:47:28 AMIf you like my comments please |
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12/5/2018 1:36 AM | |
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Thank you very much for your valuable instruction,nulizhang! If possible, please help to confirm that 6SN1118-0NH01-0AA1 is a 2-axis card. Sending me start-up manual (and/or connector pin-out definitions for the card) will be highly appreciated! (I do not know if I can post my email address in the forum or not.) |
12/5/2018 6:13 AM | |
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All 611U control cards feedback by using encoder are 2-axis card. (there are 611U card feedback by using resolver , these kind of cards possible 1-axis or 2-axis control) You are not allowed to post email in forum post, and I try to load 611U manual for you here but the file is too large. So you can google by yourself --SIEMENS 611U START UP MANUAL AND search software SIMO COM U If you have trouble for these issues you can PM me BTW--I checked your post again I think you can use 1FT6062-6AF71-3AA2--it attached incremental encoder . But for 1FT6062-6AF71-1AMx, I am not sure , you need post its picture, if encoder interface is Drive CliQ, which is for SINAMICS, then it is not for your application
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12/6/2018 4:47 AM | |
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The info posted by nulizhang is really helpful. I downloaded the start-up manual and the Simo Com U. My team intends to start the onsite connection and tuning two weeks later. It could be new findings or new issues when actually working on the motors and encoders on the machine. I will post results here soon. Thanks again! Happy holidays to all the professionals with this forum! |
12/7/2018 5:42 AM | |
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Thanks for sharing information, and it is my pleasure to help. I am very happy you can give feedback, which not so many users doing . If possible let me know in which country you are working, where Siemens local support available or not? And you can send me personal message (which can attache email) , then I can give you detail help if your country has lack of local support. |
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12/7/2018 5:32 PM | |
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The machine is a Deckel Maho DMU80P CNC machining center, which is to be retrofitted with MS-Tech CNC control, which can be found by Google searching "MS-Tech CNC". This CNC company is located in California, USA and has retrofitted hundreds of CNC machines for customers worldwide. I am with the above CNC control company and can receive emails from the company account that is listed on its website. Siemens technical support in USA was good, but no more now. When you call, it hard to reach a real technical professional; when you email them, it's no reply. That is why I turned to this forum and I'm happily meeting knowledgeable professionals like nulizhang. Thanks! |
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12/8/2018 5:35 AM | |
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You are welcome, I already answer your PM. And Siemens support in US should be good. I think the problem is your machine using too old system, CNC, drives which already discontinued by Siemens. |
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