5/1/2016 8:37 PM | |
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Hello Lucky123, The 410 CPU has been exclusively released for PCS7 to fully replace all V6 CPUs (i.e. 412-5, 414-5, 416-5 & 417-5 CPUs) in the near future.
As explained above by Ibrahim, the system expansion card is mandatory for 410 CPU. The system expansion card determines the number of POs to be handled by CPU.
The system expansion card is not required and can't be plugged in all V6.X CPUs (e.g. 417-5).
You can read about advantages in Process automation with the SIMATIC PCS 7 CPU 410-5H controller. In my opinion the best of all is the type change in RUN. This means you can change block interface and update libraries without stopping the CPU (This used to be a dream).
Are you sure that a 410 CPU with system expansion card of 2K+ POs is still cheaper than a 417-5 CPU?! If it's cheaper, it could be a strategy to force upcoming PCS7 installations to use the 410CPU and to reduce orders for V6.X CPUs. Best regards, H-H |
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5/2/2016 10:11 PM | |
Joined: 12/20/2008 Last visit: 8/12/2024 Posts: 556 Rating: (236) |
SO I think I found out this here that we can no longer use the old/STL way of loading the application, as it will be rejected by the CPU. https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/75407031/simatic-pcs-7-cpu-410-5h-process-automation-released-for-delivery?dti=0&lc=en-DE 2Compatibility The CPU 410-5H Process Automation is based on innovated hardware with operating system V8.0. The operating system V8.0 can only run on this innovated hardware. The hardware of the S7-400-CPUs V6.0 cannot be upgraded. For the configuration of the CPU 410-5H Process Automation you require the engineering software SIMATIC PCS 7 V8.0+SP1 and the Hardware Upgrade Package HUP CPU410-5H (see Download entry ID68627630). Loading of application software blocks is only possible with the SIMATIC PCS 7 engineering software. Attempts to load via the SIMATIC Manager or a STEP 7 editor (e.g. STL editor) will be rejected by the CPU. |
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5/3/2016 7:15 AM | |
Joined: 3/14/2008 Last visit: 9/20/2024 Posts: 2095 Rating: (936) |
A few marks from my side...
It is not possible to do all changes in run. If you have PCS7 8.1 with firmware v8.1 (of the CPU410), you can download block types changes in run except for: - Changing a default signal IO (such as changing a BOOL from 0 to 1) - Change a signal name which is used for messages (used in the messageID) As of PCS7 8.2, the default IO can also be downloaded in run, but changing a signal name still requires the CPU410 to go to stop.
And the SEC can be expanded by 100 or 500 PO at a time. Not just only by 100. The maximum amount of PO is 2600. The main advantage what I think it's good, it that it is also scalable in terms of plant size. Since firmware v8.1, the CPU's two internal PN/IO interfaces can be used. This means you have several options to configure your plant: Option 1: Use 1 Profinet interface for the plant bus, use the other for Profinet IO (Process bus). Option 2: Use the two interfaces to design redundancy on the system bus Option 3: Use both interfaces to design redundancy at the process bus Additional to that, you can use an additional CP443-1 card, which you can use for you plant bus. In that case, you can use both PN/IO interfaces to connect 250+250 Profinet IO devices. So, you have a lot of options with the CPU410.... |
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5/3/2016 8:50 AM | |
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Hi all, this note is taken from the manual of the CPU S7-410: The system expansion card (SEC) is inserted in a slot at the back of the CPU. With the SEC, the CPU 410-5H is scaled according to the maximum number of loadable process objects. The CPU cannot be operated without the SEC. SECs are available with the following number of POs: ● 0 You must store the required number of POs on this SEC before the first use. ● 100 ● 500 ● 1000 ● 1600 ● 2k+ (unlimited) You can expand the number of POs without replacing the SEC. Where 2k+ is roughly equalizing 2600 PO. Regards P.S. Just had a look in teh PCS 7 manual "licenses and configuration limits" in table 5-5 it is statet that 2600 PO is the rough maximum for 410: https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/ww/en/view/90663401 |
Last edited by: Myst at: 5/3/2016 8:58:45 AM |
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5/3/2016 2:58 PM | |
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Sorry for the late reply, answer already given-> License and information. |
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8/1/2016 9:43 AM | |
Joined: 9/3/2014 Last visit: 3/13/2019 Posts: 4767 Rating: (123) |
New question published by Branimir is split to a separate thread with the subject PCS7 V7.1, can't find PLC in HW configuration. Best regards |
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