8/23/2012 6:43 PM | |
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Hi Everyone, I have a Sipart PS2 valve positioner that I would like to read back the actual valve position as a HART variable. I would rather not use the ly module since I would have to add another pair of wires to make this work. I have a S7-400 series PLC with AO HART modules and have been successful in getting readback values from my Fisher valve positioners but could find no information on how to do this with a Siemens PS2. Can anyone help? What HART tag would I need to search for to find this value in a PS2? Jeff in KW |
8/25/2012 10:40 AM | |
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Hi Jeff, You should parametrize your Sipart PS2 so that the HART PV (Primary variable) or SV (Secondary variable) is set to position feedback. I don't know by heart anymore, but I think the PV, SV, TV and QV are reserved adresses in the hardware configuration when you assign the PS2 to a HART channel of your AO card. Otherwise, take a look in the manual of the card, and you will find out how to extract the HART variables from the positioner. Parametrizing can be done by software such as Simatic PDM, Emerson AMS or a HART field communicator. Good luck, SonicRanger. |
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8/28/2012 2:05 AM | |
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hello Jeff, the first thing is to check your positioner is a HART version or not. if your device without HART then you cannot get communication by HART. With HART part no. 6DR51xx- 6DR52xx- Without HART part no. 6DR50xx- 6DR53xx- regards, chook |
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8/28/2012 5:22 PM | |
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The positioner is a 6DR5210-0EN00-0AA0 I have AMS to talk to this device and there is no issue using HART to communicate with the device. There does not appear to be a field to change PV, SV, TV, QV are theseparameters defaulted and locked? |
8/29/2012 2:54 AM | |
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On some instruments, it is very clear about assigning HART variables, like the newly introduced FC430 Coriolis meter. PV = whatever is assigned to the analog output; SV, TV, and QV are assignable from a pool of 12 variables, via LUI menu item 4.6 or PDM. The PS2 suffers nearly non-existent documentation when it comes to HART diagnostics and PDM in general. But an analogy with regards to the DSIII pressure transmitter should be valid. Figure 01 in the FAQ "How do you use the HART secondary variables in addition to the actual HART process value in PCS 7?" is a screen shot of PDM screen You don't have to enlarge the image because the HART variables in their table are shown just below Fig 01. The default variable assignments are PDM should show the same set of four HART variables for the PS2 positioner as for the DSIII pressure transmitter, along with descriptions.
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8/30/2012 2:11 AM | |
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In answer to Jeff's original question about "the actual valve position as a HART variable", the primary HART variable, PV, is what Siemens calls Readback and is the actuator/valve's position value in percent. I checked position in a static state, with air pressure removed so the valve position was frozen. The PS2's display read 26.0%, and all three software HART secondary masters (Viator utiliy, PDM and Pactware) all showed 26.0% as the primary variable. So actual valve position is the primary variable is position. Since PDM trends setpoint, I'm guessing that setpoint might be SV, the secondary variable, but I have no tool to address an SV to prove the point. Neither PDM nor Pactware list HART assigned variables, at least in any manner that can be clearly interpreted. How one utilizes SV, TV, and QV shall remain a mystery. AttachmentSiemens PS2 positioner parameters in Siemens PDM software.pdf (678 Downloads) |
8/30/2012 2:55 AM | |
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Hello Jeff, You connect the PS2 to PDM via Hart modem, click on the View tab, and select the Process Variables you will see the Readback Value Cheers, chook |
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8/30/2012 2:56 AM | |
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Hello Danw, Your attachment is very helpfull. Cheers |
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9/2/2012 8:59 PM | |
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Hi Jeff, Were you already succesfull with reading out the position readback via the HART AO card? I assume you don't want to use PDM or AMS, because you want to read out the value permanent. In my previous post, I didn't check the possibility of changing the PV and SV before posting, sorry for that. Regards, SonicRanger. |
9/12/2012 7:10 PM | |
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Hi Again Everyone, Thank you for your input. Your replies, my Siemens vendor, and some of my own research, lead me to the correct solution. First, some information on PS2 HART variables: The variables are fixed and not configurable. Also you cannot access them with PDM, AMS directly as HART variables. In other words you won’t find a selection window within PDM or AMS that presents PV, SV, TV or QV in a clear way. I was advised however, that the list below lays out how these variables are configured in a PS2: PV:valve position in % SV: setpoint in % TV:deviation in % QV: loop current Second, some information on configuring an AO HART card When you enter HW configuration in Step 7 and double click the AO HART card that the PS2 is connected to, you get the properties window for that card. When you click on the “HART Variables” tab you get (see attachment): For my own application I needed to change “Variable 7” from “Channel 6 QV” to Channel 6 PV”. This is accomplished by clicking on the selection window and that brings up a drop down selection list. You then make your selection. Check out Siemens Document # A5E00434623-06 “SIMATIC ET 200M distributed I/O device HART analog modules for more detailed information. Regards, Jeff in KW |
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