Hello,

I have a program and in that I use Recipes. And I want to choose them in from my PLC (yes, I do also use a HMI). I that I had to use DataLogOpen but I have no idea how to use it, or if it is the right thing to use.

Can someone help me?

hi PMVisser,

Recipes are a functionality of WinCC

Recipes are stored in the Panel and can be loaded to the PLC. Have a look to the following application sample:

Creating a Standard Recipe View and Recipe Screen with WinCC (TIA Portal)

hope this helps,

regards,

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 But for this you don´t need an HMI with recipes.

I would just create a DB with the parameters you need. Then the PLC is choosing the content of the DB acoording to the thing in the oven.

regards,

Hello,

Thank you for your answer. It’s an option I think of also. But he wants to be able to change the value (on the HMI). And I didn’t see a good way to do that whit multiple “Data Records“ whit in there 24 different value’s. And if there comes a new product how can you easily add a new “Data Records”. Do you have an idea for that?

 You could try this:

Create 3 tags in the PLC:

- Trigger (bool)

- RecipeNo (int)

- RecipeRecordNo (int)

Now create these tags in the HMI and link them to the PLC tags as you would normally do.

In the HMI tag table highlight the trigger tag and go to Properties -> Events -> highlight: 'Value  change' -> Expand <add function> drop down menu and choose: LoadDataRecoed

Configure LoadDataRecord:

- Recipe number/name - Here insert your RecipeNo tag (or you can have a constant here if its always the same recipe)

- Data record number/name - here you insert RecipeRecordNo tag

Now click the Properties tab (on the left of events tab) -> highlight: settings and change the Acquisition mode to 'Cyclic continous'

This setup should allow you to change the recipe records with the PLC program.

PMVisser

Hello,

I have a program and in that I use Recipes. And I want to choose them in from my PLC (yes, I do also use a HMI). I that I had to use DataLogOpen but I have no idea how to use it, or if it is the right thing to use.

Can someone help me?

tiaportalhowto.com/en

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

I tried it. But I think I did something rang but I don’t know what. Can you help me?

For info. “resp”.old.ID should change to the same number as ‘”IO”.RecipeDataNo. And yes I did change the Acquisition mode to Cyclic continuous.

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

Thanks for your respond. But I can’t open it. If it is a program, you need to send the entire map it’s in. otherwise I gate this.

Hello PMVisser,

So the acquisition mode of 'Trigger' is set to cyclic continuous.

Every time 'Trigger' change value, you will loaddatarecord. (Perhaps you do not use a clockpulse to change 'Trigger', every time you want a new recipe, you can toggle the tag 'Trigger')

Best regards,

Wizard

 Right under where you set the acquisition mode you also set Acquisition cycle, which by default is 1s.

If you use 2Hz for your trigger then the trigger bit will always se the same state (therefore there will be no value change for the event), see here for more details: http://tiaportalhowto.com/en/blog/tia-portal-clock-memory/

As Wizard advised don't use clock bits. Instead use your program sequence logic to trigger the record loading, when you need it. Use rising edge + extended pulse combination (longer then 1 second  ;) ) just to be 100% sure the HMI will read it.

For the purpose of testing just use memory bit and toggle the state (ctrl + F2, ctrl + F3)

PMVisser

Hello,

I tried it. But I think I did something rang but I don’t know what. Can you help me?

For info. “resp”.old.ID should change to the same number as ‘”IO”.RecipeDataNo. And yes I did change the Acquisition mode to Cyclic continuous.

Hello Robert and Wizard,

Thank you for your reaction. But I tried both of your solutions but it also didn’t work. As you can see the RecipeNo is 1 and the RecipeDataNo is 2.

I don’t know if it is important information but when I open the “recipe screen” and when change one of my data record. When I change the Data Record Name it opens it and almost instantly goes back to an empty data record.

robert_j

 Right under where you set the acquisition mode you also set Acquisition cycle, which by default is 1s.

If you use 2Hz for your trigger then the trigger bit will always se the same state (therefore there will be no value change for the event), see here for more details: http://tiaportalhowto.com/en/blog/tia-portal-clock-memory/

As Wizard advised don't use clock bits. Instead use your program sequence logic to trigger the record loading, when you need it. Use rising edge + extended pulse combination (longer then 1 second  ;) ) just to be 100% sure the HMI will read it.

For the purpose of testing just use memory bit and toggle the state (ctrl + F2, ctrl + F3)

PMVisser

Hello,

I tried it. But I think I did something rang but I don’t know what. Can you help me?

For info. “resp”.old.ID should change to the same number as ‘”IO”.RecipeDataNo. And yes I did change the Acquisition mode to Cyclic continuous.

 

Hello PMVisser,

You are still using clockmemory bit? (triggerbit)

Please try to use a memorybit, which you can change in VAT table.

Best regards,

Wizard

Wizard

Hello PMVisser,

So the acquisition mode of 'Trigger' is set to cyclic continuous.

Every time 'Trigger' change value, you will loaddatarecord. (Perhaps you do not use a clockpulse to change 'Trigger', every time you want a new recipe, you can toggle the tag 'Trigger')

Best regards,

Wizard

Hello,

Yes I treigt that to. But that also doesn’t work.

Hello PMVisser,

Is it possible to share your project with us?

Best regards,

Wizard

Wizard

Hello PMVisser,

Is it possible to share your project with us?

Best regards,

Wizard

Hello,

Sorry, it’s not in the 3000 kB range of the forms.

Just to double check - you do have the data record setup under the number you're trying to load?

EDIT:

From help file:

"Activate the "Synchronize recipe view and recipe tags" option in the synchronization settings of the recipe. If this option is deactivated, the system function has no effect."

- when you load data record in your HMI you still have to press the 'write to PLC ' button, which is a separate command, unless you activate the option mentioned above.

robert_j

Just to double check - you do have the data record setup under the number you're trying to load?

EDIT:

From help file:

"Activate the "Synchronize recipe view and recipe tags" option in the synchronization settings of the recipe. If this option is deactivated, the system function has no effect."

- when you load data record in your HMI you still have to press the 'write to PLC ' button, which is a separate command, unless you activate the option mentioned above.

Hello,

What am I supposed to put on the input “ID” by the DataLogWrite?

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

Thanks for your respond. But I can’t open it. If it is a program, you need to send the entire map it’s in. otherwise I gate this.

 

It's a zipped archive. But before we get too far, which version of TIA are you using?

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

Thanks for your respond. But I can’t open it. If it is a program, you need to send the entire map it’s in. otherwise I gate this.

 

 

It's a zipped archive. But before we get too far, which version of TIA are you using?

 V14, but i also have V12 and V13

 PLC command DataLogWrite is for PLC data logging and is something completely separate from HMI's recipes.

Use 'move' block to write to your tags as you have previously and implement the setting I mentioned in the post below and see if that helps.

PMVisser

 

robert_j

Just to double check - you do have the data record setup under the number you're trying to load?

EDIT:

From help file:

"Activate the "Synchronize recipe view and recipe tags" option in the synchronization settings of the recipe. If this option is deactivated, the system function has no effect."

- when you load data record in your HMI you still have to press the 'write to PLC ' button, which is a separate command, unless you activate the option mentioned above.

Hello,

What am I supposed to put on the input “ID” by the DataLogWrite?

tiaportalhowto.com/en

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

Thanks for your respond. But I can’t open it. If it is a program, you need to send the entire map it’s in. otherwise I gate this.

 

 

It's a zipped archive. But before we get too far, which version of TIA are you using?

 V14, but i also have V12 and V13

 Perfect, you need V14 for this project and please bear in mind that I'm taking you in an entirely different direction from the rest of the suggestions in this thread. Best to have quick look first look at the example program I uploaded and get a very quick idea what I'm suggesting may work for you before investing too much time in it.

I'm suggesting multiplexing which is explained in details in this blog.

To open the project I uploaded earlier you need TIA V14  or later (SP1)

-Download and unzip the file.

-Open TIA V14 and go to menu "Project" then scroll down and select "Retrieve".

-Browse to the file you unzipped earlier "Multiplexing_Example.zap14" and follow the instructions.

-After the project is loaded  simulate PLC_1 with PLCSIM then simulate HMI_1.

-There's only one screen (Home), click in the textbox "Tank number" and enter the number 1 and notice the object/fields on the right update then click in the text box again and enter the number 2 and notice the difference.

-That will give you an idea if multiplexing will work for you.

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

 

Kal.A

 

PMVisser

Hello,

I have looked through it and its net exactly what I need.

It’s an oven for multiple things. And first the PLC scans what it is. And then it have to say for example to the HMI it needs Data Record 2. And then I want that the information of Data Record 2 gats out of my HMI to my PLC. And if I’m done whit that product it scans a new product and switch to of example Data Record 5.

 See if this works for you.

Hello,

Thanks for your respond. But I can’t open it. If it is a program, you need to send the entire map it’s in. otherwise I gate this.

 

 

It's a zipped archive. But before we get too far, which version of TIA are you using?

 V14, but i also have V12 and V13

 Perfect, you need V14 for this project and please bear in mind that I'm taking you in an entirely different direction from the rest of the suggestions in this thread. Best to have quick look first look at the example program I uploaded and get a very quick idea what I'm suggesting may work for you before investing too much time in it.

I'm suggesting multiplexing which is explained in details in this blog.

To open the project I uploaded earlier you need TIA V14  or later (SP1)

-Download and unzip the file.

-Open TIA V14 and go to menu "Project" then scroll down and select "Retrieve".

-Browse to the file you unzipped earlier "Multiplexing_Example.zap14" and follow the instructions.

-After the project is loaded  simulate PLC_1 with PLCSIM then simulate HMI_1.

-There's only one screen (Home), click in the textbox "Tank number" and enter the number 1 and notice the object/fields on the right update then click in the text box again and enter the number 2 and notice the difference.

-That will give you an idea if multiplexing will work for you.

Hello Kal.A

Thank you very very match. It is indeed what I was looking for. I tried to make it myself but I have some question.

- How did you make your “Tanks_Indexed” in your HMI? If I put in my Address it just disappears.

- In Your HMI you have that “tank_info_1”. What is it? And how did you make that?

- And if I want use a memory of it. How do I do that? which one do I take?

- Is there a way that if automatically saves everything that when you put the power of and on that all the data is still on there? Like you did whit 1 and 2.

Hi PMVisser,

I won't be able to reply in detail till much later in the day due to lack of time but you can get most of the answers to your questions by reading this blog post and it includes screenshots of how to set up an index tag. If you still have questions after you read that page, let me know and I will answer them later.

Cheers

Kal

 Hi There,

I'm not sure if you have received an answer by now, but I just tried a similar thing with the help of this thread.

In my application I must save different data records of a recipe when different events are triggered. For example, if the operator selects option 1, I want to use the recipe values of data record 1 in my PLC. I assume that's similar to yours?

Initially the above also didn't work for me, but I just changed the trigger tag event from "LoadDataRecord" to "SetDataRecordToPLC". Now whenever I change the trigger tag, the values from my selected datarecord are written to the PLC which I can then use in my code. I then use some code in the PLC to change between the different "options" and consequently the different datarecords.

Like I said, the answer is probably coming a bit late to help you, but maybe it can help someone else.

Regards

PMVisser

Hello,

I tried it. But I think I did something rang but I don’t know what. Can you help me?

For info. “resp”.old.ID should change to the same number as ‘”IO”.RecipeDataNo. And yes I did change the Acquisition mode to Cyclic continuous.

Hello,

I prepare a sample project in Tia V15 in order to change HMI recipes from PLC.

Main code is:

Hi all!

This post was extremely useful, I have a project that needed exactly this, so thank you everyone!