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sinamic S150 torque control mode, speed limitation

Created by: Gwen_1 at: 2/11/2014 10:46 AM (7 Replies)

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2/11/2014 10:46 AM	Rate (0)
Gwen_1 Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	Hi I'm new here and I have a problem with a speed limitation in a torque control mode. I ve a Sinamic S150 which control a Test Bench. There are two mode speed control wich work well , and torque control that we never tested before. (asynchronous motor, encoder) When i switch in a torque control mode, the Drive control the torque and block the speed at a limit (225 rpm). but this limit never appear in the parameter. (1084 -1087 => set to 3600). and something strange if i change the value, there is an offset of 45 rpm. When i set the value to 150 the speed is limited to 195 rpm. I explore the Starter documentation whitout success. If someone have an Idea where does this limitation come from ? Here is a list of some parameters. parameter value 56 15 60 0 61 195 tr/min 62 0 tr/min 63 195 tr/min 64 0 tr/min 66 6.49 hz 79 5.5 à 11.4 108 20070104 807 0 1170 0 1406 1000 1407 000C 1408 0001 1084 150 tr/min 1087 -150 tr/min 1438 0 tr/min 1478 0 1480 11.47 N.m 1481 0 tr/min 1482 11.47 N.m 1508 11.47 N.m 1526 1500 N.m 1527 -1500 N.m 1551 1 1538 1500 N.m 1539 -1500 N.m
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2/11/2014 11:20 AM	Rate (0)
Technology Team Platinum Expert Joined: 10/11/2006 Last visit: 9/5/2025 Posts: 6038 Rating: (828)	Hello, please note that speed limits like p1082.. are not valid in torque control. Nevertheless you may verify torque, current and power limits (p1520,..p640/p641,.. p1530,...in vector control) Please take a look into the list manual: https://www.automation.siemens.com/doconweb/pdf/SINUMERIK_SINAMICS_04_2010_E/LH1.pdf?p=1 respective into the function diagrams which may give you a closer view.
	With best regards, Technology Team Application consulting and pre sales support for SINAMICS, SIMATIC Technology, SIMOTION, SIMOTICS and MOTION CONNECT
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2/11/2014 11:47 AM	Rate (0)
Gwen_1 Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	Thank for your answer I will look for the documentation. The parameter 1520 -1530 (torque limit ) are set to 1500 and 100 % (no limit here) the parameter 640 - 641 are set to 417 and 100 % (no limit too) (power limit 250 kW) so in my case the load (just for test) is very small only 12 N.m and the current too. It's not a torque limit, power limit or current limit. best regards
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2/11/2014 3:19 PM	Rate (0)
Gwen_1 Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	I joint an example of three function diagram (6040,6060, 6640) completed by data to complete the precedent data The 1407 parameter (answer C equivalent of 0000 0000 1100) 1407.3 =1 and 1407.2=1 (control speed and torque active) but no other limitation occur. Is there somebody who have an idea ? best regards Attachment 6040-6060-6640.pdf (163 Downloads)
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2/14/2014 5:01 AM	Rate (0)
aclsy Experienced Member Joined: 5/29/2009 Last visit: 11/24/2020 Posts: 10 Rating: (0)	Are u switching the mode with p1501? Maybe you can check the p1083 speed limiting setting.

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2/14/2014 7:47 AM	Rate (0)
Gwen_1 Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	The torque mode is activated with the 1501 parameter so in this mode the parameter 1406.12 is set to 1 and the 1407.3 an 1407.2 are set to 1. (torque and speed active regulation) The speed limitation (1083 1086) are set to 6000 and -6000. Normally if a limit occur the 1407 parameter should change. The 1803 parameter is a factor in % which is set to 106 % but not a speed limitation. thanks
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2/17/2014 7:31 AM	Rate (0)
aclsy Experienced Member Joined: 5/29/2009 Last visit: 11/24/2020 Posts: 10 Rating: (0)	From the 1407.17 results, it looks never activate the speed limiting function. Maybe can set the 1083 to 150rpm.

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2/18/2014 8:23 AM	Rate (0)
Gwen_1 Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	the problem was solved It just due to a big torque gap in the friction caracteristic curve of the motor. before the gap i increase the speed with à few added torque, at the gap i need to mutiply by 2 the torque set point to increase the speed. thanks
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