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rodicaxplod Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	Please help me with some tehnical data for this motor. What tipe of motor it is (syncronous/asyncronous). nr of poles, tipe of rotor, what does the 600V DC Link means?Is it possible too run it with Micromaster 440 in a Lathe aplication, if not, what is the appropriate driver to run this motor.
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Deleted User Posts: 767 Rating: (69)	Hello rodicaxplod, The following motor is an AC induction motor with an encoder that provides feedback which is ERN 1381 ENCODER with 1 Vpp sinusoidal incremental feedback type. (more technical information below) 600 volt dc link references that this motor is designed for use with an adjustable speed drive that has 3 phase ac input of 400 - 460 VAC (which means the internal dc rectified voltage within drive would be approximately 600 VDC) Rated Power 11.5 KW Rated Speed 2000 REV/MIN Rated Torque 55 NM You can not use MICROMASTER drive with this motor due to the MICROMASTER drive not being able to accept the feedback type from the encoder. Recommended drive system for use with this motor for this type of application would be SIMODRIVE 611Universal or SINAMICS S120. 1PH6107-4NG40 AC MAIN SPINDLE MOTOR, DC LINK 600 V 11.5 KW, 2000 REV/MIN, 55 NM SEPARATE VENTILATION, INCR. OPTICAL ENCODER, IP54, TERMINAL BOX, SIGNAL CONNECTOR; WITH ERN 1381 ENCODER FITT.; TYPE IM B3 　 ERN 1381 by HEIDENHAIN Compact incremental rotary shaft encoder with integral bearing and mounted stator coupling with 1Vpp output and IP 40 protection HEIDENHAIN ERN rotary encoders have an integral bearing and a stator coupling. The shaft of the ERN is connected directly to the measured shaft. During angular acceleration of the shaft the stator coupling must absorb only that torque resulting from friction in the bearing. ERN rotary encoders therefore display a high dynamic performance and high natural frequencies. Incremental signals - 1 Vpp Line counts - 512, 2048, 4096 Power supply - 5V Operating Temperature - Max. 120C Deputy
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rodicaxplod Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	Deputy Hello rodicaxplod, The following motor is an AC induction motor with an encoder that provides feedback which is ERN 1381 ENCODER with 1 Vpp sinusoidal incremental feedback type. (more technical information below) You can not use MICROMASTER drive with this motor due to the MICROMASTER drive not being able to accept the feedback type from the encoder. ok! thank you! But what if I will use the Micromaster inV/f open-loop control Vector control,without encoder Servo control? It has to be possible if1PH6 107 4NG40 main Spindel motoris a AC induction motor withsquirrel cage rotor. The problem that I am faceing is to know if this motor can be driven like a regular AC motor with any tipe of VFD ,for me is not mandatory to run spindel motor like a servo with clossedloop control because the CNC software (Mach 3) will read the true speed of the spindel and ajust feeds and speeds over that readings. What is the number of poles of this motor? because if I calculate the pair of poles due to the rated rotational speed at the suposed ratedfrequency of 50 Hz the pair of poles RPM= (f * 60)/p => p =(50*60)/2000 => p=1.5 pair of poles which is not possible.
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Hello rodicaxplod,

The motor is a 4 pole motor.

Technically you could operate the motor on MICROMASTER without using the feedback of the encoder assuming the rest of control system can accomodate for system performance needed in application.

Equation which applies pertaining to motor rated speed and rated motor frequency:

Nsynch = f * 120 / P = 68.9 * 120 / 4 = 2,067 (i.e. roughly 2,000 rpm)
Nsynch - synchronous speed
f - frequency
P - number of poles

Following are the parameters of the SIMODRIVE 611Universal drive system for operational reference.

Converter settings for Simodrive:

1PH6107-4NG4x-xxxx
rated motor power			11.5 [kW]
rated motor speed			2000 [1/min]
star/delta			star Y
611D/U	611A
P1102	P96	108			motor code number
P1103	P161	29.8		[A]	rated motor current
P1117	P159	0.031		[kgm²]	moment of inertia
P1130	P160	11.5		[kW]	rated motor power
P1132	P162	333		[V]	rated motor voltage
P1134	P164	68.9		[Hz]	rated motor frequency
P1135	P165	311		[V]	no-load motor voltage
P1136	P166	15.6		[A]	no-load motor current
P1137	P167	0.174		[Ohm]	stator resistance
P1138	P168	0.157		[Ohm]	rotor resistance
P1139	P169	0.551		[Ohm]	stator leakage reactance
P1140	P170	0.785		[Ohm]	rotor leakage reactance
P1141	P171	12.09		[Ohm]	magnetizing reactance
P1142	P173	2400		[1/min]	field weakening speed
P1143	P172	3000		[1/min]	upper speed MR characteristic
P1144	P175	106		[%]	factor MR characteristic
P1145		100		[%]	stall torque reduction factor
P1146	P174	9000		[1/min]	max. motor speed
P1400	P163	2000		[1/min]	rated motor speed
P1602	P63	150		[°C]	motor overtemperature warning

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rodicaxplod Posts: 5 Rating: (0)	Deputy Hello rodicaxplod, Following are the parameters of the SIMODRIVE 611Universal drive system for operational reference. Deputy Thank you Deputy! The motor is in a lathe cnc sistem is now connected to SIMODRIVE 611 (see picture below). I belive that the speed of the motor is controlled by a -10 to 10 V signal -10 to 0 for ccw rotation and 0 to 10 V cw rotation? is it possible to use the drive alone (I have the 600 v DC power supply connected) what are the conditions to run it alone without the Sinumerik computer and feed drives connected, use it like a regular VFD ( all motor, encoders , ptc termistor will be left as the producer made them). A detailed wireing diagram would be great,enable and control pins...etc Thank you Deputy! You deserve a old bottle of vine! Attachment DSCN6620 RESIZED.jpg (509 Downloads)
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