Hi,

Yes, there are people who succeeded and people who got problems with .dll or problems with SQL server.

And yes, Siemens did not test compatibility with Windows 10 pro, so it could work, but bear mark the following. The only released Windows 10 OS is Windows 10 LTSB 2015 x64:

The Windows 10 LTSB (Long Time Servicing Branch) has the following characteristics

- Only necessary security updates are installed

- Major Windows updates (like the Fall Creators edition) will not be installed for this version.

- Some Windows 10 features are missing like Windows 10 App store

So basically Siemens has tested PCS7 with this OS version and it is made sure that Microsoft doesn't corrupt PCS7 installation by commencing updates and such.

An easy example why you don't want to use the "normal" Windows 10 with updates you cannot uninstall: I had a driver from Dell to use up to 4 monitors. After installing one of major Windows 10 updates (which you don't have with LTSB), Windows decided to uninstall my Dell driver because it was not compatible with Windows anymore. Can you imagine what happens with a PCS7 installation? 

Hi,

Yes, that is one argument, but there are more...You have to imaging that at the Siemens PCS7 headquarters they are testing a system 24/7 for a long period. They cannot test each version of an OS, they took LTSB for a reason.

You seem eager to use Windows 10 Pro. I assume it's just for your own use? No engineering/controlling a live plant? If so, try it yourself and see how far you go, but I suggest you use LTSB. 

Hi guys

I just want to report about our recent experience in regard of PCS7 on not released Windows 10 (Enterprise, not LTSB version). We did this because we want to have PCS7 (V9.0 SP2) on the actual Field PG M6. Windows 7 can't be installed on this hardware anymore. Of course at first we tried it with the Win 10 LTSB version released for PCS7. But we couldn't install the graphics driver on the LTSB version. Not only that we would like to work with 2 monitors in the office, without the driver even the resolution on the integrated monitor is inacceptable to work with. And on commisioning we don't want to carry a workstation with us. Neither Siemens nor Intel's support  helped us (Intel tried but gave up soon, Siemens even didn't try - just the standard answer "That's not something we support").

So we used the Windows version the Field PG was delivered with. It was the release 1807 of Windows Enterprise (no LTSB). Beside the problem during installation of WinCC (ACE error) wich is mentioned in previous post (together with the solution, thanks to 3 D J) we also had a problem with the Automation License Manager. We simply installed a newer version of the ALM than the version wich came with the PCS7 setup and this issue was solved. But also we faced the issue "Verbindungsversuch fehlgeschlagen!" from the station configurator. We checked with compatibily-tool the version of Simatic NET and it said that it is compatible with our Windows version. So we contacted Siemens customer support, but like expected, the answer was "PCS7 is not released for this Windows version - no support". Very disapointing...We investigated the topic in the internet and it seemed that a certain Microsoft KB was causing that trouble. We also found this information but we couldn't install the updates to the updates wich are mentioned there. In the meantime our Windows version was anouncing an update to release 1909. So we thought: We have nothing to loose - let's try this update. Et voilà - the problem was solved, too! I guess that on this version maybe even the ALM delivered with PCS7 V9.0 SP2 is working.

I don't want to encourage people to install PCS7 on a not Siemens-released Windows version, but I can understand the demand very well. For this reason I wanted to share my experience. On the internet there are also some tips and tricks available in regard how to cheat Windows 10 to avaoid updates. We are using now all this tricks, but of course we are skeptical if they will help on long term. For that reason it is advisable to have an image of the working system always in your pocket. And if now somebody will argue "without updates you get viruses very soon"; Maybe, but also here I will answer; I have an image...(beside an anti virus program)

On my Windows 7 partition updates are disabled since the very beginning of PCS7 V8.0, which is now more than 7 years ago. In theese 7 years I captured a virus once (despite having an antivirus program with latest patches). Did I worry? No, restored my image, what took me 20 minutes, and smiled again....

Best regards...

Update:

Approx. 4 weeks later we recognized PLCSIM not working. Installing over the existing version didn't help but uninstalling PLCSIM and installing again solved that issue.

Hi mark,

Thanks for sharing your info. There a quite some topics created in the past year regarding the install of PCS7 in Windows 10 Pro environment (including 2019). And I think if you bundle all problems and solutions in one, you can successfully install PCS7 on Windows 10. 

But, I think you will get challenges when new updates of Windows are installed, which can get interference with PCS7. But I still think you shouldn't mess with it, and just use the released versions, but it's frustrating, for instance your problem referring to the monitor setup that doesn't work properly.

Maybe in the future, Siemens will release PCS7 for Windows 10 who knows. 

 Hi Oreca

Oreca

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But, I think you will get challenges when new updates of Windows are installed, which can get interference with PCS7...

Of course I wouldn't sell something like this to a customer. But for my self I will take the risk now. Like I said; We are prepared facing problems in regard of updates...

Best regards...