hello everyone,

Im about to start a big project with multiple machines being integrated into one big project. we are purchasing the PRO version of tia portal for this. and I just want to know if my knowledge so far is correct. 

If i would buy a s7-1500 as IO master, and multiple ET200(SP probably)  could i just install the ET200 at the machines, connect them all via a switch, and controll them from the s7-1500 PLC? could the ET200's comunicate with eachother via the 1500? and could i place multiple HMI's in diffrent places to control the entire program (every HMI has can control every machine)? 

for the record, i have not had any siemens training, and all my knowledge of the PRO features in TIA portal come from youtube and reading manuals.

Thank you for your time and help in advance.

AlwaysErrors

If i would buy a s7-1500 as IO master, and multiple ET200(SP probably)  could i just install the ET200 at the machines, connect them all via a switch, and control them from the s7-1500 PLC? 

 All S7-1500 CPUs and ET 200SPs have two PROFINET ports. So you can built a line and you don't need a switch. But if you want you can use a switch. I assume to use a SCALENCE. Others may cause some PROFINET functions are not working (e.g. isochrone mode).

AlwaysErrors

could the ET200's comunicate with eachother via the 1500? 

Thank you Miami, that helped a lot, I just have these few questions left

Are you saying that if i got ET200's with integrated CPU's I could make them communicate (reading eachothers input, tage, and outputs) via PROFINET?  and what would be the diffrence between that and the S7-1500 reading an input on one ET200 and sending a signal to another ET200's output like you explained.

I assume all HMI's would have to be connected to the S7-1500 to be able to controll all ET200's, and not to the individual ET200's. Do i need a SCALANCE switch for that?

Could i exceed the max 4 HMI's by using HMI's with Sm@rtserver?

I realy apreciate all the help.

I appreciate that design decisions on a new-to-you platform can be rather difficult to understand all the long-term effects.

If you have not consulted with a local Siemens sales rep and local Siemens application engineer, you really should.

They can get to know your project requirements, and suggest options, one of which will certainly be what you have already researched on your own.

What you will learn from that process is similar to what can be learned in these forums, but on a more detailed and thorough aspect, being somewhat face-to-face (via zoom/facetime/webex or whatever).

You might hear suggestions to use S7-1200's as i-Devices, ET200's as i-Devices, outright PLCs that communicate to each other and to a s7-1500 supervisor PLC, and/or to a SCADA system monitoring and scheduling everything.

By having all the options thatcansolve the problem, you can then select the right solution that solves it in the best / right way for everyone (engineering, marketing, manufacturing, sales, customers, and so on).

We in the forums can make good suggestions, but there might be some situation where a suggestion is not optimal but we are not aware of that use-case because you did not know it was important.  That's where a good Siemens Sales Engineer and Application Engineer can really help.

That said, I think @miami is on the right track, which I would expect given their excellent knowledge!

AlwaysErrors

Thank you Miami, that helped a lot, I just have these few questions left

Are you saying that if i got ET200's with integrated CPU's I could make them communicate (reading eachothers input, tage, and outputs) via PROFINET?  and what would be the diffrence between that and the S7-1500 reading an input on one ET200 and sending a signal to another ET200's output like you explained.

I assume all HMI's would have to be connected to the S7-1500 to be able to controll all ET200's, and not to the individual ET200's. Do i need a SCALANCE switch for that?

Could i exceed the max 4 HMI's by using HMI's with Sm@rtserver?

I realy apreciate all the help.

AlwaysErrors

Are you saying that if i got ET200's with integrated CPU's I could make them communicate (reading eachothers input, tage, and outputs) via PROFINET?  and what would be the diffrence between that and the S7-1500 reading an input on one ET200 and sending a signal to another ET200's output like you explained.

I assume all HMI's would have to be connected to the S7-1500 to be able to controll all ET200's, and not to the individual ET200's. Do i need a SCALANCE switch for that?

Could i exceed the max 4 HMI's by using HMI's with Sm@rtserver?

Normal ET 200 are "stupid" devices that exchange there I/Os with the PLC/CPU. They only communicate with the CPU.

The HMIs communicate only the CPU too. Due the CPU has all the information from the ET 200, this information may be shown or set in the HMI.

So the CPU is the central element and all other components communicate with the CPU.

An ET200 CPU is a S7-1500 CPU in ET 200 design and uses ET 200 Modules instead of the normal (bigger) moduels. That all.

If you have several CPUs you can program a CPU-CPU communication and exchange data. Th standard is to use one CPU. More than one CPU is normally only uses if you need more calculation power (shorter cycle times) than one CPU can offer.

All actual SIMATIC components (CPUs, ET 200 and panels) have at least two PROFINET ports. With one in and the other out you can create a line with all components without needing a switch/SCALENCE. Just go from one device to the next one.

I'm not a HMI man, I don't know the Sm@rt options. I just know there is a limit in HMI resources of a CPU.

The forum can give first information, but I agree to 1_Einstein, you should contact your local Siemens office (www.industry.siemens.com/aspa_app) to discuss your needs. Specially if it's a "Big Project".