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Fault F0003 came from settingP1610 with MicroMaster 440 ?

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4/11/2008 4:53 AM	Rate (0)
liyingfeng Posts: 9 Rating: (0)	MicroMaster 440 run on SLVC(P1300=20), it worked well with P1610 and P1611 keeping default(P1610=50, P1611=0) from Aug.2005 to Feb,2008. When I changed P1610 to 100, P1611 to 100 at Feb 22,2008, the inverter triped three times, Mar 17, Mar 21, and Apr 7 respectively. So I changed P1610 to 85, P1611 to 0, the inverter triped after3 hours. It was always F0003 fault. And after I reset the fault, the inverter can work normally. My question: Are theresome relation between F0003 fault and P1610 value?
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4/11/2008 5:11 AM	Rate (0)
liyingfeng Posts: 9 Rating: (0)	I read a caution fromMICROMASTER 440 Parameter List Issue 01/06 (Page 181): Caution: P1610 should always be set at least 10% higher than the maximum steady-state load that occurs. Note: whatisit mean?
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4/11/2008 5:14 AM	Rate (0)
Tambe Posts: 148 Rating: (11)	Dear , What is application.??? In simple word there is no direct relation ... But i think youmust be using the inverter at very low frequency.... let me know at what frequency it triped.??
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4/11/2008 5:51 AM	Rate (0)
liyingfeng Posts: 9 Rating: (0)	Inverter： MICROMASTER 440 6SE6440-2VD33-7EB1 Serial No. ZYT90366400050 Issue B/V2.09 Input 3AC 380...480V +10%...-10% 87A 47-63Hz Output 3AC 0...INPUT 75A 97A VT 0-650Hz Motor 37KW (45KW VT) Protection IEC 5361VDE 106 class1 IP20 Temp Range -10...40℃ Duty class II 22Kg Motor: Siemens 1MJ62082CA61-Z E0411/412781 01 002 IEC/EN 60034 247Kg IM B5 200L IP55 Th C.L.F. 50Hz 400/690V △/Y 30.0KW 53/31A cosφ0.89 2940r/min EEx da IICT4 380-420/660-725V △/Y 56.0/32.5A PTB 01 ATEX 1093 IA/IN 6.5 Inverter fmax 85Hz 400V Pump: Bran+Luebbe metering pump Model: H5-04/E-P34 S.No.: 9156356 Job No. 511287811000 The inverter triped at 27Hz, which is normal state of pump.
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4/11/2008 10:25 AM	Rate (0)
Tambe Posts: 148 Rating: (11)	Dear , In Pump/fan Torque and power is almost Cube of frequency and always suggested to run such applications with parabolic curves(P205=1,P1300=2) If you are using this with SLVC you need to carry out Motor ID very correctly. considering the highest power demand of the pump.and need to provide motoring and torque limitiation. But when you need very fast rampup and Ramp down you can go for SLVC. Nowyou are forcing more current than rquired for the application ,Have you monitor the actual DC link Voltage during trip?? As drive did not trip with over current i suspect the line voltage must have went down.
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4/12/2008 8:52 AM

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I set inverter as below:

Quick Commissioning
P0003	3
P0010	1
P0100	0
P0205	0
P0300	1
P0304	400
P0305	53
P0307	30
P0308	0.89
P0309	Default
P0310=50	Default
P0311	2940
P0320	Default
P0335	Default
P0500	Default
P0640	Default
P0700	1
	2
P1000	1
	2
	7
P1080	5
P1082	44
P1120	10
P1121	10
P1135	Default
P1300	20
P1500	Default
P1910	1
P3900	1
End QuickCommissioning	1
P0003	3
P0701	1
P0731	52.3
P0733	52.2
P0756[0]	0
P0756[1]	2
P0757[0]	0
P0757[1]	4
P0759[0]	10
P0759[1]	20
P0761[0]	0
P0761[1]	4
P0771[0]	27
P0771[1]	24
P0778[0]	0
P0778[1]	4
P0781[0]	0
P0781[1]	4
P2000	50
P2002	100

It worked very well. Except: the motor cannot run on P1080<10 with a 80% load ofthe pump. So I tried to change P1610 and P1611. With P1610=100 or 85, the motor can start at P1080=3 and the pump load in 80%. Iwonder whether succedent fault F0003 had some relation with these changed parameters? If not, what causedF0003?

4/12/2008 12:58 PM	Rate (0)
Tambe Posts: 148 Rating: (11)	dear friend can you wait till 15th.... i am on move
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4/14/2008 4:23 PM	Rate (0)
Tractor Gold Member Joined: 3/27/2008 Last visit: 11/3/2024 Posts: 1144 Rating: (142)	F0003, can only be a poor power supply. By increasing the boost values this has increased to supply the load. The metering pump sounds like it is a constant torque device so this will be sensitive to increase of boost Voltages, in P1610, P1611. Have you fitted a line choke in the supply to the VSD, this will make the situation worse? Is the supply Voltage, on all three phases, within limits whilst delivering full load? If this is a supply problem try to fix it as soon as possible, because the VSD input stage will be working very hard, it may possibly damage the input stage/DC link. Can you see any discoloured/hot cable connections in the supply to the VSD? Are all 3 phases good?
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4/15/2008 8:12 AM

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Dear,

I may suggest you the following parameters. for This application.

Quick Commissioning
P0003	3
P0010	1
P0100	0
P0205	1
P0300	1
P0304	400
P0305	53
P0307	30
P0308	0.89
P0309	Default
P0310=50	Default
P0311	2940
P0320	Default
P0335	Default
P0500	Default
P0640	Default
P0700	1
	2
P1000	1
	2
	7
P1080	5
P1082	44
P1120	10
P1121	10
P1135	Default
P1300	2
P1500	Default
P1910	1
P3900	1
End QuickCommissioning	1
P0003	3
P0701	1
P0731	52.3
P0733	52.2
P0756[0]	0
P0756[1]	2
P0757[0]	0
P0757[1]	4
P0759[0]	10
P0759[1]	20
P0761[0]	0
P0761[1]	4
P0771[0]	27
P0771[1]	24
P0778[0]	0
P0778[1]	4
P0781[0]	0
P0781[1]	4
P2000	50
P2002	100

And at low frequency, you can apply (cont. Boost)P1310, Acceleration boost P1311,and starting boost p1312.

Your Ramp up and ramp down is sufficient considering the amount of load you are handling.

With present settings you are pumping a higher amount of current ,this will reduce significantly. And even your dc link wont drop down(if it is not a problem of line supply)

With present situation when you increased the cont. boost from 50% to 100%(p1610) , drive demanded full load current from line. This should cause a over current alarm . But as Mr. Tractor suggested a problematic line supply can cause voltage dips and subsequently the Under voltage Tip. Hence please

Please check the supply voltage as well as current value with old settings at 27Hz.(current at R27 and voltage with meter at input terminal)
With modified value of P1610 check the supply voltage and current at Trip.

4/15/2008 9:15 AM	Rate (0)
liyingfeng Posts: 9 Rating: (0)	Thanks a lot. I put an attachment which describles the pump's working principle. The source of voltage is healthy. I don't know what is VSD. Can you explain it? Attachment bl-104-l_novados.pdf (487 Downloads)
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