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Created by: skwr at: 5/29/2012 2:18 AM (12 Replies)

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5/29/2012 2:18 AM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	HI @ll -> this is my first time here;) I found problem simulating F_CH_AI using Simatic Manager V5.5 + HF5 and PLCSIM V5.4 + SP4. I am an absolute beginner in PCS7 an I found similar issue and solution here: http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll/7778907?func=ll&objId=28263042&objAction=csView&nodeid0=14931084&lang=en&siteid=cseus&aktprim=0&extranet=standard&viewreg=WW&load=treecontent ,for simple CH_AI it works for me but for F-channels simply not. Any ideas? I am trying to simulate 1oo2 and 2oo3 evaluation of AI and DI, but simply simulation does not work! Please help! Attachment 11.JPG (394 Downloads)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	Last edited by: skwr at: 5/29/2012 4:50 AM I was trying to use also Variable Table (connection to parameter "Value" in F_CH_AI) with named variables done with "Edit Symbols..." for FAI and FDI...also without success...ehh
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5/29/2012 7:25 AM	Rate (0)
yy1 Gold Member Joined: 3/24/2009 Last visit: 7/9/2024 Posts: 535 Rating: (112)	Dear skwr, the VALUE-input of the F_CH_AI must be connected to a tag (eg. IW256). When you compile the program with the option 'generate module drivers', the F_CH_AI will be connected to the module-driver F_PS_12. Afterwards you will be able to modify the input in PLCSIM. For more details have a look at the manual, chapter 'F-I/O access'. manual For each F-Channel driver, interconnect the VALUE or I_OUT_D input/output with the symbolic name of the associated channel. This step is required for all placed F-Channel drivers. For redundant F-I/O, interconnect the VALUE input/output with the symbolic name of the channel with the smaller channel address. Best regards, yy1

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5/29/2012 2:12 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	Thank You, I will check it. So, there is no possibility to simulate CFC f.eg. F_CH_AI without connection to Tags? I thought that it is possible even without any ET-200 and I/O configured in hardware conf. - but never check it.
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5/29/2012 9:34 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	OK, now it's a little bit better - parameter VALUE is correct, but on the output from F_CH_AI (V) still i have 0.0. I want to simulate situation when there are to different signals comming from F_CH_AI to F_AND4. As i said some kind of 1oo2 evaluation. Any ideas? Attachment 12.JPG (379 Downloads)
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5/30/2012 8:52 AM	Rate (0)
yy1 Gold Member Joined: 3/24/2009 Last visit: 7/9/2024 Posts: 535 Rating: (112)	Dear skwr, there seems to be an F-STOP on your PLCSIM (quality-code = 16#00) Please have a look at your diagnostic buffer. Maybe your cycle-time is too long?? Best regards, yy1

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5/31/2012 7:08 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	Now I can see something is wrong "Safety Data Format Failure in DB ..." Looks like Safety Programming is much more complicated than standard one...especially for beginners...any ideas yy1?? What about cycle-time? I configured parameter "F-Monitoring time" as default 2500ms as I remember. Should be the "Diagnostic interrupt" also configured? Maybe some parameters in F-CPU must be configured? Excepting Tab "Protection" ofc. What about Tab "F Parameters" are there any important parameters in simple simulation not complicated project?? Attachment 14.JPG (321 Downloads)
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6/1/2012 6:10 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	Maybe they should be in other OB's? Not default OB35??
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6/2/2012 9:06 AM	Rate (0)
yy1 Gold Member Joined: 3/24/2009 Last visit: 7/9/2024 Posts: 535 Rating: (112)	skwr Maybe they should be in other OB's? Not default OB35?? Dear skwr, I don't think, that changing the OBs will improve the situation. It looks, as if there is any inconsistency in your program, which leads to the area length error and as a result of this to the safety data format failure. Which blocks are the DB 87, 88 and 93? Are these the instance-DBs of the F_CH_AI block? You can try to delete these blocks and recompile your program. Best regards, yy1

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6/5/2012 3:48 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	OK, seems i found source of this problem. I am using S7 416F-2 CPU in HW Config and have installed S7 F Configuration Pack and SIMATIC F Systems Pack (+ HMI + Library). Probably i should have S7 Distributed Safety Pack installed also??? Is it possible to RUN CFC F Program sequence without S7 Distributed Safety? Could You please provide some example with F_CH_DI or F_CH_AI??
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6/5/2012 6:36 PM	Rate (0)
skwr Posts: 8 Rating: (0)	Next question - is it SFC scheme obligatory when using CFC? Or it is possible to simulate program in CFC without SFC?
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