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S5 PLC's SPARES & SERVICES stiill supported?

Created by: Gunners at: 6/17/2009 11:03 AM (6 Replies)

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6/17/2009 11:03 AM	Rate (0)
Gunners Posts: 130 Rating: (18)	Hi all, I am dealing with a PLC refurbishment job here in india wherein there are the following PLC's installed in a refinery in 1986 or so: SIMATIC S5-135U SIMATIC S5-115U SIMATIC S5-100U SIMATIC S5-200U can anyone please tell me whether these PLC spare parts are still available and whether we can still provide services for these PLC installations????? Another Peculiar case here is the PLC's are held in a container in 1999 and till date they still lie inside the containers. Can anyone tell me if they will start running after more than 10 years in that state?????? Awaiting your replies anxiously. Please repond quickly..Its an urgent issue. thanks & regards,
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6/17/2009 11:31 AM	Rate (1)
UMENCHO Diamond Expert Joined: 3/21/2006 Last visit: 10/7/2024 Posts: 10229 Rating: (1181)	Hello Pratapks, Look at Gradual Phase-Out of the SIMATIC S5 System, entry ID 13266996 Hope this will helps. Best regards Hristo Mihalev

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6/17/2009 11:52 AM	Rate (1)
dchartier Grandmaster Joined: 9/27/2006 Last visit: 10/9/2024 Posts: 12285 Rating: (2685)	Pratapks Hi all, I am dealing with a PLC refurbishment job here in india wherein there are the following PLC's installed in a refinery in 1986 or so: SIMATIC S5-135U SIMATIC S5-115U SIMATIC S5-100U SIMATIC S5-200U can anyone please tell me whether these PLC spare parts are still available and whether we can still provide services for these PLC installations????? Hello Pratapks; First, from Siemens side, there is an Application tool called "S5 migration Tools" that you can locate here: http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/27227021 There you will find a section on S5 Spare parts, with some links to spare part location finders in different forms and uses. I have found the Spares On Web service useful in the past, it will show you individual part numbers availability and status. You can also send the individual informations to an Excel sheet so you can build you ownworksheet for available spares. Another source can be found by searching for "S5 spare parts" on the web. There are many providers of such services. However, pricing and warranty issues have to be taken into account when dealing with 3rd-party providers. We have had very good experiences in the past, and some remarquably bad ones in the process of purchasing spare parts on the Internet. Another Peculiar case here is the PLC's are held in a container in 1999 and till date they still lie inside the containers. Can anyone tell me if they will start running after more than 10 years in that state?????? Wow, this is Christmas morning for you! and each package a surprise! I I can think of no other way to find out if these equipments have survived 10 years of Indian outdoor weather without damage than by testing each one in a test rack, with a test program. Siemens industrial equipment is known to be tough, but there are environmental limits that must be respected for storage; humidity and noxious atmospheres (possible in an industrial area) can do the most damage. How well sealed were the containers, and how were the units packaged inside? Any sign of moisture or accumulated salts on the cardboard boxes, on the units themselves? Depending on your personnel availability and the price you can put on the tester's time, it could be worth the effort to get a whole new lot of original spares. But again, equipment warranty is probably dead by now, and the risk shopuld be evaluated by your plant managers, Hope this helps, Daniel Chartier
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6/17/2009 11:56 AM	Rate (0)
Gunners Posts: 130 Rating: (18)	Thank you very much UMENCHO. that really helped. regards,
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6/18/2009 6:21 AM	Rate (0)
Gunners Posts: 130 Rating: (18)	Dear Dchartier, Thank you for your comments. Well actually the time frame of this project goes like this. The Original Equipment was installed in the refinery in 1978. It was functioning till 1989. Entire refinery was shutdown in 1990. The refinery was dismantled in the sense careful dismantling of parts. Then they packed all the equipment in containers and they stayed in Germany till 1999. In 2000 they shipped the same to India as the buyer of the refinery is in India. So this is the timeline. And one more doubt i have is, can we determine which PLC used to process which unit in the refinery? And what about the software which was installed at that time? Will all this start working as it was at the time of shutdown?????? Well this is a really tough question i know, i guess everything depends primarily on the state of the hardware here. Anyways we have planned a visit to the site Next Month to see the state of the hardware after the customer opens the containers for the first time in 10 years...............HAHAHA... Well to be true this is a very very "UNIQUE" project in my career. please post any comments if you have, regards,
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6/18/2009 8:46 AM	Rate (0)
Navnag Platinum Expert Joined: 11/21/2007 Last visit: 9/25/2024 Posts: 2325 Rating: (308)	Dear Pratap In my Experience of last 24 odd years on S5 PLCs has been that by and large they are quite rugged and reliable if installed and maintained properly. We recently changed the CPU rack of a S5-150S PLC ( from late 1970s ) with a S7-400 CPU ( Mainly because the HMI spares were not available ). The I/Os are still in pretty good condition. It is very difficult to predict the condition os Packed PLCs for such a long duration. Especially is you have High Humidity and Sald Laden atmosphere. However more often than not the I/Os and other Passive hardware would survive longer than the CPU and HMIs etc. It is possible ( andmore economical)touse New S7-CPUs and HMIs with existing S5 I/Os( Assuming I/Os in good condition ). S5 CPUs and other hardware, though available from various sources is exorbitantly priced and generally comes without warranties. It is also available from Siemens ... but delivery times are large ... >6 Months. So if needed it makes sense to uartially / fully upgrade to S7 systems. You should also check if and to what extent Software Backups and Documentations are available. I have also sent you a privite msg on my contact details .. if needed. Good Luck ... Navnag
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11/9/2009 9:09 PM	Rate (0)
drive master Regular Member Joined: 1/28/2009 Last visit: 1/22/2022 Posts: 21 Rating: (0)	hello! we have alarge stock of s5 95,100,115 u if you need any thing please send to me at oraby88@gmail.com

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