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Connecting to S5 via s5 ethernet layer 4 and CP1430TF!

Created by: alfie at: 6/11/2008 1:39 PM (21 Replies)

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6/11/2008 1:39 PM	Rate (0)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	Hi, I have searched the forum but didn't find any useful info! The problem is I want to connect to S5 via s5 ethernet layer 4 channel I have cp1613 in pc side and cp1430tf in plc side. I wrote a sample program with (send and receive) and also try Fetch and receive (active and passive) , but can't go online with wincc!! I can easily connect to plc via SIMATIC S5 Programmers Port AS511.CHN but with ethernet layer 4, I can't!! First of all, I have to say that I use AUI to AUI cable instead of transceiver!! Is it cause of my problem?? I'm not sure that sample program that I wrote is correct or not, I can say in status variable,for FW that assigned to ANZW, I get an error 0A0A!! 1-so, deos anyone has any sample program for both sides??( wincc and plc) 2-sholud I only use fetch and receive when I want to use layer 4 or I can use send and receive as well. Best regards, Alfie
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6/16/2008 6:27 AM	Rate (0)
aikona Posts: 487 Rating: (36)	Alfie The ANZW code 0A0A means no connection , meaning the PLC does not see the wincc . Rem. on the wincc side you have to check the 'connection' used for the PG/PC , check under windows start button then control panel , there you should find PG/PC interface ,here the interface should be set to "/CP_H1_1:/ SCP" if using the ISO protocol. Check in the wincc help for "S5 Ethernet Layer 4, connection error codes", for as far as I know ... on the PLC side you only have to use the SEND ALL , RECEIVE ALL , on the CP side you need to check ,adress and TSAP-ID From the code on the PLC : check the stuff on the CP card , About the cable , should work. I presume that you have the CP1430 manual ? I have a sample program for the CP1430TCP Sorry for answering so late but I do have to work sometimes Greetings Eric
aikona Posts: 487 Rating: (36)	Last edited by: aikona at: 6/16/2008 6:30 AM
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6/16/2008 7:59 AM	Rate (1)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	Dear Eric, Thanks for reply ;) You can find plc program and cp database+ some screen shots from wincc in attachment! in pg/pc, I have CP_H1_1: -->CP1613(ISO) in system parameter I have CP_H1_1:/SCP ( do I change system parameter Device Names or not??) you said that in PLC, I have to use only SEND ALL and RECEIVE ALL, so where do i define which DB to send or receive, if I don't use SEND or FETCH handling block!! I want (for example) to read DB10, DW0 from PLC and write to DB12, DW0 from Wincc!! in wincc channel diagnostic, State is disconnected and no error code!!!( see attachments plz) so, i'm completely confuesd!!! by the way, I have 1 trasceiver, when I connect both cp1613 and cp1430tf to this transceiver, for the port that I connect cp1613, collision and transmit LEDs lit flashing for constant period, but for the port that cp1430 is connected, no flashing for LEDs!! ( I don't use coaxial cable for transceiver, just for connecting these two AUI cable for CPs ( instead of AUI to AUI cable), I'm not sure it is correct or not!! so, what do you think?? where is my problem?? Hope you and the other guys help me to pass this problem!! best regards, /Alfie Attachment tranportTEST.zip (848 Downloads)
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6/17/2008 3:37 PM	Rate (0)
J_Bell Posts: 5822 Rating: (412)	Dear Alfie, would you please change the OB 20 and OB 22 that way that the BLGR has the value 0,255. You will only use Fetch and Write, but you have configured a SEND and RECEIVE Connection too. In addition, is it possible to monitor the traffic between WinCC and the PLC, maybe by a PC with a tool like Wireshark? I guess this would help a lot. Best regards J_Bell
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6/18/2008 10:18 AM	Rate (0)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	J_Bell Dear Alfie, would you please change the OB 20 and OB 22 that way that the BLGR has the value 0,255. You will only use Fetch and Write, but you have configured a SEND and RECEIVE Connection too. In addition, is it possible to monitor the traffic between WinCC and the PLC, maybe by a PC with a tool like Wireshark? I guess this would help a lot. Best regards J_Bell Dear J_Bell, thanks, would you please clarify one thing for me, If I want ( for example) to read and write one DB ( i.e DB10, DW0) from wincc, what is the best or easiest way??( with "s5 ethernet layer 4",of course!) if I don't use SEND handling block in PLC program, how can I define which DB will be transferred?? should I use fetch instead??( I'm confuesd) and about Wireshark, I got it, but in the list of available interface for capturing, there is no CP1613!! ( see attachment please) but in PG/PC interface I have it and I can restart it with no error!! what do I do?? Thanks a lot for your help and guidance! Best regards, /Alfie Attachment wireshark.JPG (820 Downloads)
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6/18/2008 12:20 PM	Rate (0)
J_Bell Posts: 5822 Rating: (412)	Dear Alfie, in my opinion Fetch Write is the best you can do if you try to read or write data to/from a S5 PLC from WinCC. This allows you a maximum on flexibility because you decide on WinCC which data is being read or written on the S5 PLC. The Configuration of the Data area has to be done on WinCC and not on S5 so you do not need to use anything on S5 besides the Send All and Receive All functions you already have. About the Wireshark I have to admit that this Software needs a NDIS Adaptor, sadly the CP 1613 has none, so you may have to use a Hub and the second Ethernet Interface you have at your PC to monitor the Traffic. I think as soon as we have this record we can say something about the establishment of the Connection from WinCC to the S5. Best regards J_Bell
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6/18/2008 1:54 PM	Rate (0)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	Dear J_Bell Well, I changed the plc and cp program, would you please check this out?( attachment) 2 jobs in cp, one Fetch Passive(ANR 1) and one Receive Passive (ANR 2), and sample program in plc to create DB10,DW0 (increment per seconds),and only SYNCH and SEND-ALL and RECEIVE-ALL handling block. in wincc side, create FETCH ACTIVE under "s5 ethernet layer4", create new tag assigned to DB10,DW0.( see screen shots in attachment),and use I/O Field to show this tag. so, if assume no hardware problem, should this system works properly?? (and if it doesn't work, can I be sure the problem is related to hardware??)( because I still have the problem after this modifications ) and about Wireshark, you mean that I have to use AUI to RJ45 converter, and then connect it to HUB and monitor that hub via another network card in my PC??( is there another way or another software??) Best Regards, /Alfie Attachment new.zip (915 Downloads)
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6/18/2008 2:21 PM	Rate (0)
April Posts: 1776 Rating: (95)	Hi, ok it seems there is a WinCC proplem. Check the WinCC diagnostic files the diagnostic files you will find where you have installed wincc. for example: C:\Program Files\Siemens\WinCC\Diagnose More information for reading the diagnostic files can be found in the FAQs http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/22892165 http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/22089969 http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/en/22892721 http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/view/de/22892720
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6/18/2008 3:58 PM	Rate (0)
J_Bell Posts: 5822 Rating: (412)	Dear Alfie, I agree with April, maybe it is a good idea to check the channel diagnostics of WinCC. If it realizes some problem it will notice that in the Diagnostics buffer. So we can check what is really going on at the Interface. The detailed information’s and error descriptions are part of the online help too. Please check this. Best regards J_Bell
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6/18/2008 4:36 PM	Rate (0)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	Hi there, which files( from diagnostic files) do u exactly need?? I attached it!! I can't find anything useful from them! J_Bell! what do you think about post # 7?? did you consider that?? By the way, I found NDIS adapter driver in cp1613 CD, and installed it follow the instruction, and NOW I have cp1613 in wireshark interface list, but it seems it only shows traffic from RJ45 port, not AUI. so what do I do next?? ;) Thanks ALL, Best regards, /Alfie Attachment diag.zip (752 Downloads)
alfie Posts: 78 Rating: (3)	Last edited by: alfie at: 6/19/2008 9:36 AM
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