2/13/2015 3:29 PM | |
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Greeting, Could you please advice as attached Conceptual layout network, will this work in WinCC Client/Server ring network on Profinet or Industrial Ethernet Connection. There are two network for Client/Server solution Profinet and LAN as attached, This requires a network connection (TCP/IP) between the server computer and the connected clients. Can we merge these network over one network Profinet or Industrial Ethernet with Combination of SCALANCE IE and FOC switches on Ring network as attached conceptual layout..?? There are also restrictions for maximum length of PROFINET/Industrial Ethernet as we know PN: 10 to 100 MBit/s and maximum distance of two partner electrical 100 meter. and the maximal number of partners in a PROFINET IO network is also restricted to 512 but in our case these will be Max. 8 in future now these are 3. Regard's AttachmentDesktop.zip (313 Downloads) |
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2/16/2015 10:24 AM | |
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Many thanks for message, yes the Web-Clients running inside of an Internet-Explorer, the other (basic) Clients are running directly on the PC but what will the speed difference and refresh rate, navigation speed, data logging, tag processing speed and system attitude, Will this same on both option OR different.
Please see attached network configuration is it right concept, and for Server PC which one CP will require CP1612 A2 or CP1623, can we done this with only CP1612 A2 at each PC because redundancy not needed. Regard's AttachmentDesktop.zip (235 Downloads) |
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2/16/2015 10:53 AM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, to your questions 1. the Web-Clients running inside of an Internet-Explorer, the other (basic) Clients are running directly on the PC but what will the speed difference and refresh rate, navigation speed, data logging, tag processing speed and system attitude, Will this same on both option OR different. --> This depends on the speed of the network. If the Web-Clients are running in the local LAN, there is no remarkable difference in the speed.
--> You need a WinCC-Server-license, if you have set the projecttyp to "Multi-User-Project". If you have Web-Clients, you can use "Single-User-Project" on the WinCC-WebServer. You can connect up to 32 WinCC-Basic-Clients to a WinCC-Basic-Server SIMATIC WINCC RT CLIENT V7.3 (6AV6381-2CA07-3AX0) having 128 tags if we exceed the tags limit then what will happen at client PC..?? --> A WinCC-Client has no process tags, therefore the smallest license RT 128 is used, you can not exeed the tag limit. Please see attached network configuration is it right concept, and for Server PC which one CP will require CP1612 A2 or CP1623, can we done this with only CP1612 A2 at each PC. --> The concept is OK. A CP1612 is nothing other then a common network adapter, but it is special testet for using in these environment. The CP1623 has an own controller on its board, which makes the communication work, instead of the CPU of the PC with the CP1612. Regards Georg Berghof
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2/16/2015 11:39 AM | |
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Dear Sir, Thanks for message, --> A WinCC-Client has no process tags, therefore the smallest license RT 128 is used, you can not exceed the tag limit. little bit confusion about above answer, Can we monitor all screens except alarm history, data archiving at client PC which is configured and design at Server PC, if server PC have WINCC V7.3 RC 8192 tags (6AV6381-2BS07-3AX0) license and WINCC/SERVER V7.3 (6AV6371-1CA07-3AX0) license..??? is it mean we will design and configure Screens but which have only max. 128 Tags on Client PC but we can monitor and control all Screens which are design and configured based on 8192 tags at Server PC am i right Sir..??
in WinCC Web Navigator 1 x WebServer 3 x Webclient solution we will create Single User Project and WINCC/WEB NAVIGATOR V7.0, 3 CLIENTS (6AV6371-1DH07-3AX0) license will require according to number of clients and max. 32 client can connected, am i right Sir..??? In WinCC 1 x Server 5 x client Solution we will create multi user project and WINCC/SERVER V7.3 (6AV6371-1CA07-3AX0) will require at Server PC and SIMATIC WINCC RT CLIENT V7.3 (6AV6381-2CA07-3AX0) will be installed on each Client PC and max. number of client 32 can connected, am i right Sir..??? If we want to share the data and redundancy the between 2 x Server and 5 x Clients then we will create multi user project and will use CP1623 for redundancy on Server PC and CP1612 for other PC's, and softwre will be as following. WinCC 2 x Server 5x Clients
am i right Sir..???
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2/16/2015 1:02 PM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, to your questions: 1. Can we monitor all screens except alarm history, data archiving at client PC which is configured and design at Server PC, if server PC have WINCC V7.3 RC 8192 tags (6AV6381-2BS07-3AX0) license and WINCC/SERVER V7.3 (6AV6371-1CA07-3AX0) license..??? --> Yes, the Client has no own process tag, only this counts for the license. We have writing which we conceive from above answer. --> The maximum of 32 Clients was releated to the Basic-Runtime (no Web-Navigator). With WebNavigator you can have up to 8 Web-Clients, if you use a Workstation-OS like Windows 7 for the Web-Server, if you use a Server-OS like Windows 2008 Server, you can connect up to 100 Clients.
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SIMATIC S7 2010 SP3 (6ES7810-5CC11-0YA5) = 1nos. WINCC RC 8192, V7.3 (6AV6381-2BS07-3AX0) = 2nos. WINCC/SERVER V7.3 (6AV6371-1CA07-3AX0) = 2nos. SIMATIC WINCC RT CLIENT V7.3 (6AV6381-2CA07-3AX0) = 5nos. --> If you would like to use a redundant pair of WinCC-Servers you need futhermore a license for the option Redundancy, 6AV6371-1CF07-3AX0. Regards Georg Berghof |
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2/16/2015 1:41 PM | |
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Dear Sir, Many thanks for message, what about SIMATIC NET PC Software is this required in discussed option WinCC Web Server/Client and WinCC Server/Client for the configuration of CP1612 A2 and CP1623. is this included in WinCC 7.3 package for OS window 7 and what is the order code for that because there are several type of package regarding SIMATIC NET Software is this following..?? HARDNET-IE S7 = 6GK1716-1CB13-0AA0 SOFTNET-IE S7 = 6GK1704-1CW13-0AA0 What is the difference between WinCC User Archive 6AV6371-1CB07-3AX0 and WINCC/ARCHIVE V7.0, 1500 ARCHIVE TAGS 6AV6371-1DQ17-3AX0. what is the tag limit for WinCC User Archive 6AV6371-1CB07-3AX0 package...?? Regard's |
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2/16/2015 2:54 PM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, to your questions: 1. what about SIMATIC NET PC Software is this required in discussed option WinCC Web Server/Client and WinCC Server/Client for the configuration of CP1612 A2 and CP1623. is this included in WinCC 7.3 package for OS window 7 and what is the order code for that because there are several type of package regarding SIMATIC NET Software is this following..?? HARDNET-IE S7 = 6GK1716-1CB13-0AA0 SOFTNET-IE S7 = 6GK1704-1CW13-0AA0 --> With the WinCC licenses you get delivered an Industrial Ethernet SOFTNET-S7 Basis and an Industrial Ethernet SOFTNET-S7 Lean. This is enough for up to 8 connection via a "normal" networkadapter or CP1612 A2. If you need more connections you can use the CP1612 A2 or an other "normal" networkadapter, but the you need the license SOFTNET-IE S7 = 6GK1704-1CW13-0AA0. Alternatively you can use a CP1623, in this case you need the license HARDNET-IE S7 = 6GK1716-1CB13-0AA0
--> The license WinCC User Archive 6AV6371-1CB07-3AX0 is for the option Userarchive, if you use this option. Its only needed on a single station or WinCC-Server, but not on a Client. There is no limit of tags, either you use the option or not. The WINCC/ARCHIVE V7.0, 1500 ARCHIVE TAGS 6AV6371-1DQ17-3AX0 has nothing to do with the Userarchive, it is for Taglogging. With the WinCC-RT or RC-license you can archive up to 512 Tags in the Taglogging-Archives, if you need more, you need such an archive-"extention"-license, here for up to 1500 archivetags in the Taglogging. Regards Georg Berghof
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2/19/2015 12:24 PM | |
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Dear Sir, Many thanks for message, there are two types of Simatic Net IE FC cable one is 6XV1870-2E with 4X2 and another is 6XV1870-2B with 2X2 obviously there will be some difference between prices. Could you please advice which one is adequate cable in our case we are using X208 IE Switch 6GK5208-0BA10-2AA3 with CPU314C_PN/DP 6ES7314-6EH04-0AB0, KTP1000_PN 6AV6647-0AF11-3AX0 and CP1612 A2 6GK1161-2AA01 in concept of Profinet Ring Network and distance are < less then 100 meter for (Profinet) Plant Terminal and as well for LAN (Bus Terminal). Furthermore please describe can we say this system as Small DCS System which have Multi user WinCC SCADA_Server/Client and WinCC Web Server/Client configuration with more then one PLC Station on PB_FOC_PN network. If not then please teach us what is DCS system (Solution) in SIEMENS Automation Technology. Regard's. |
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2/19/2015 2:05 PM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, sorry, I am no expert in cables, this is part of Simatic Net. DCS has usually to do with PCS7 but maybe with WinCC inside the Simatic Manager too. See here https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/ww/en/view/24023824 There is described a Minimalconfiguration. The point is here, to save a PC, by using a PC for Engineering-Station (ES) and Operating-Station (OS) at the "same" time.
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9/17/2015 2:13 PM | |
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Dear Georg Berghof, Could you please confirm the attached, is it possible configuration and concept..??? |
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9/18/2015 7:45 AM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, this configuration is OK, Terminalbus and Plantbus are seperated, this is important.
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9/18/2015 10:59 AM | |
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Dear Georg Berghof, Many thanks for message, should we use and install separate terminal bus OR can we use existing Intranet (LAN) which is already in use at site...?? I mean can we merge Server/Client terminal bus with existing Local area Network..??? |
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9/18/2015 11:18 AM | |
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Hello Muhammad Sarfraz, only mixing of Plantbus and Terminalbus is a really problem. You can use an existing Local Area Network for Terminalbus, you could only get a problem here, when other applications are using the same LAN and causing a permanently high load of traffic. But this is a more general network-problem, not only with WinCC. Regards Georg Berghof |
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